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Liz Hartman: well, welcome, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us for this finding summer research opportunities workshop. We have a fabulous panel that you'll be meeting in a few minutes. \
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Liz Hartman: The purpose of this workshop today is just to learn more about what metrics research is like and how to find opportunities.\
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Liz Hartman:  Even though the title of the workshop is finding summer opportunities all of the parts about finding summer opportunities on campus will pretty much apply to during this semester, and you can feel free to ask questions about during the semester and ask questions at any point just put them in the chat. And we could definitely answer hopefully anything. And if there's something that we can't answer, we can get back to you over email. \
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Liz Hartman: So thank you for coming everyone.\
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Liz Hartman: I will get us started, so meet our fabulous panel. Last time we did have an alum panelist, but this time I think we have all undergrads. \
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Liz Hartman: I would love everyone to really quickly introduce yourself and you don't have to go into too much detail, because we'll get to do that later. But I'll get started with Olivia, please.\
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Olivia Maday: Hi! So my name's Olivia Maday. I'm currently a senior, and I will be graduating in May. I'm majoring in biology and society, and my hometown is Baton Rouge, Louisiana.\
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Liz Hartman: Awesome. Isabelle.\
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Isabel Stanley: Hi, I'm Isabelle Stanley. I'm also graduating this May. My major is animal science with a concentration in pre-vetery medicine, and I'm from Westchester, New York.\
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Liz Hartman: Great Isaac.\
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Isaac Chang: Hi everyone. My name is Isaac Cheng. I'm a junior studying nutritional sciences. And I am from the Bay area.\
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Liz Hartman: Great. And then Peyton.\
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Peyton DiSiena: Hi, everyone! My name is Peyton D. Sienna. I'm a current junior in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, and I study Biological Sciences, and I'm also from Westchester County, New York\
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Liz Hartman: Great alright.\
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Liz Hartman: So I would love. If people can sort of get your hands going to share in the chat, why are you here for today's session? And this will also help our panelists know what's on your mind, and maybe able to kind of address some of the things\
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Liz Hartman: as they're speaking, and then. If there's anything that's not addressed as we go, we can definitely\
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Liz Hartman: get to your questions in the Q And A.\
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Liz Hartman: so\
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Liz Hartman: I know sometimes you're on a phone or something. It's kind of hard to type. But please please just share a little something, even if it's just like, "I just want to know a little bit more about what it's like to do research" or\
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Liz Hartman: "I'm thinking about this is a summer option."\
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Liz Hartman: Great. So we have someone saying "to find summer research," "learning about research on campus" great, and feel free to keep adding thoughts.\
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Liz Hartman: And why you're here\
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Liz Hartman: Alright.\
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Liz Hartman: So topics that we're going to cover today.\
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Liz Hartman:  First, just thinking a little bit about reflecting. Why are you looking for a research position? And then sort of how do you narrow your search? And what logistics should you think about - pay versus credit hours, on campus versus off campus.\
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Liz Hartman: And then we'll look at the search in 2 parts. One is finding opportunities on campus, and then the next is finding opportunities off campus. And then finally, we'll address a little bit around applications like, How do I apply?\
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Liz Hartman: We've got some great\
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Liz Hartman: questions already coming in. "How to approach finding different\
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Liz Hartman: types of research over the summer."\
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Liz Hartman: "I've been interested in working in a research lab, but not sure what it entails or how to get a position."\
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Liz Hartman: Someone else wants to hear experiences about doing research. Also figure out how to actually get started.\
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Liz Hartman: "Where can I start as a freshman to find research"? Really great question. So\
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Liz Hartman: if you find that we're not covering those, please, when we get to the Q & A share those again.\
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Liz Hartman: So\
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Liz Hartman: step one. Reflect.\
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Liz Hartman: So you might want to start just by thinking, like, what is it exactly that I'm interested in? And if you're not sure, like what even your options are, hopefully today will give you some ideas about what some different students are doing.\
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Liz Hartman: Are there certain skills, qualities or knowledge that you want to develop or explore?\
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Liz Hartman: And\
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Liz Hartman: also, are you interested in maybe going to a graduate program that's going to require you to have research experience to be admitted?\
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Liz Hartman: And then also this last question of when is the best time for me to begin a research position?\
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Liz Hartman: So\
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Liz Hartman: timing is so important because a lot of students feel pressure.\
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Liz Hartman: I need to get started right away. I see my peers doing this and that. But and I'll be really interested to have the panel we on this, too. But\
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Liz Hartman: you really want to make sure that you have  All your kind of pieces in place before you add research on top of that. So you want to make sure that everything is going well academically, that you're feeling settled in, and that you have the space to devote to it. So we'll hear from our panelists in a moment about some of that\
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Liz Hartman: and then the next thing is thinking about how to kind of narrow down your search. So I have linked in the slides the interest inventory tool from the OUB. That everyone will be able to check out, since I'll be sending out the slides after this.\
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Liz Hartman: And then also this idea of talking to\
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Liz Hartman: your peers, advisors, faculty, TA, everyone that you can, just to kind of get a sense of what options are out there for me. What have you liked? What do you recommend?\
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Liz Hartman: And all of that.\
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Liz Hartman: And then the question of\
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Liz Hartman: pay versus credit. So during the school year, there's definitely good reasons to do Pay, good reasons to do credit. But for the summer, typically you're always going to be looking for pay. Credit, if you do it for credit, you're gonna have to pay for those credits.\
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Liz Hartman: And so that's usually not ideal.\
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Liz Hartman: We'll hear from our panelists about their hours per week. But when it's during the school year it tends to be much lower.\
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Liz Hartman: and you know a typical amount, maybe say 6\'a0hours, but they can kind of share what it's been like for them during the\
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Liz Hartman: school year, whereas during the summer many of the positions, may be 20\'a0hours per week, or 40\'a0hours per week.\
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Liz Hartman: And then on campus versus off campus. If\
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Liz Hartman: over the summer time,\
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Liz Hartman: if you have the opportunity to stay at Cornell, that's a really wonderful\
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Liz Hartman: thing, because you can potentially continue your research. You can build connections that are going to be ongoing. You don't have to try to go somewhere else to \
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Liz Hartman: kind of to show like, "Oh, hey! I did this, and I did that." But sometimes going somewhere else is great because you need to be living at home, or you want to experience, you know, a different, a different kind of opportunity that you wouldn't be able to do on campus. So so, having kind of gone through some of those thoughts, I want to let each of our panelists kind of share, you know\
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Liz Hartman: Why did you want to pursue research at all? How did you decide what types to try?\
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Liz Hartman: And how did you decide what was the best time, and what logistics did you consider? So I guess we could get started maybe with Payton.\
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Peyton DiSiena: Yeah. So the reason I kind of got into research in general was because I'm interested in doing the Md. Phd. Pathway, and in order to be an MD. Ph. D. You are really devoting yourself to a career path in research and being able to digest information and synthesize it into sort of translational efforts and helping individuals, both like in the clinic, and then also outside.\
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Peyton DiSiena: And for me, the\
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Peyton DiSiena: oh, sorry. The information that you get from doing a research experience on campus is really helpful if you want to apply to these programs. So I wanted to get into it as soon as I could, and I joined research in the spring semester of my freshman year. But that might be early for some people depending on the transition into college, so don't feel like pressure to rush to get into it.\
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Peyton DiSiena: Let's go down list and see.\
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Peyton DiSiena: How did I decide? So I've been interested in genetics since I got to Cornell, and luckily that hasn't really changed much. So I was really looking into labs that cater to my interest, things that I found interesting when I was searching up faculty online.\
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Peyton DiSiena: and\
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Peyton DiSiena: because I was kind of already adjusted to college by the spring semester, my freshman year I felt that that was a good chance to really reach out and find opportunities. I do remember I sent emails in the fall semester freshman year, and a lot of labs were already full, so I didn't get an opportunity during the first semester, but it was actually helpful, because at that point I was still trying to adjust to classes and other extracurriculars.\
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Peyton DiSiena: And when I was considering which labs I should choose, I was really thinking about if I wanted to do credit or pay. But also, if the research in the lab was something interesting to me, I didn't want to force myself into an environment that I wasn't comfortable in in terms of like the topic.\
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Peyton DiSiena: So I really tried to look for faculty that was doing research in areas that I would find interesting, even if maybe not necessarily the exact research I want to do in the future. The skills that you'd learn would be applicable to whatever you want to do, going forward.\
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Liz Hartman: Great! And how many hours a week did you start with?\
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Peyton DiSiena: So when I started, I actually worked more in like a lab maintenance kind of role. I was really like\
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Peyton DiSiena: cleaning jars and doing a lot of like maintenance stuff around the lab. When I first started actual research. I usually now work about like 8 to 12\'a0hours I  would say, like, between the 2 and 3 credit kind of limit.\
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Liz Hartman: Right.\
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Isabel Stanley: Yeah. So the kind of research that I do is I don't work in a lab. I'm doing extension work with my advisor. But\
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Isabel Stanley: it. It follows a very similar research process. There's there's a lot of literature review, and we're still going out and testing the program that we're developing. So it's a little different than\
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Isabel Stanley: I guess what most people think of when they think of research. So the reason I wanted to pursue it was because I wanted to explore the research process, and I also wanted to help with extension work with the Cornell Cooperative extension.\
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Isabel Stanley: And the way I decided what kind of research I wanted to do, I knew I wanted to do something with animals, and I had a lot of opportunities because in the animals, you know, I'm in the animal science program.\
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Isabel Stanley: And specifically, I wanted, I was interested in welfare, which is a huge part of extension work.\
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Isabel Stanley: Particularly horses, which is my animal that I'm that I'm researching and doing literature review on and community outreach. And so, yeah, it's not super hands on. But I do like it because I get to learn a lot about the equine field which is relevant to me as\
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Isabel Stanley: how I decided the best time to start research. I'm a transfer student. So\
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Isabel Stanley: I really spent my sophomore year kind of adjusting to Cornell first, before I really decided I wanted to jump into research. So I started my junior fall\
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Isabel Stanley: and because at that point it solidified my interest, and I had gotten to know my advisor at that point. So it was just easier for me to start then, rather than jump into that. But absolutely like, if you're a transfer student or a freshman, and you want to jump into research your first year here. That's obviously\
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Isabel Stanley: And then, in terms of logistics. Definitely balancing my work with other responsibilities like having a job in school.\
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Isabel Stanley: I'm only doing it for one credit at the moment. Which for me that's enough, because\
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Isabel Stanley: I think they can get to be a lot if you go to 2 or 3 credits, but obviously it varies between\
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Isabel Stanley: like with people. And then over the summer. I actually also did it part time I did Mondays and Tuesdays, for about 6 to 8\'a0hours a day, because I was also doing a separate job so definitely take into consideration. Other aspects of your life while you're doing your research.\
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Liz Hartman: That's great. And can you explain how it works with the number of credits and number of hours that you're working.\
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Isabel Stanley: The number of credits and the number of hours. So\
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Isabel Stanley: I believe that one credit is 3\'a0hours of work. I think, I'm not 100 sure.\
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Isabel Stanley: But basically, I just kind of set aside that time in my week to work on the project for that amount of time, and then I get\
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Isabel Stanley: a grade based on the quality of my work for that credit. I'm not sure if that answers the question, though. Yeah, no, yeah for sure, and then if you were to do say 2 credits, it would be kind of like you double the amount of time. Exactly. Yeah. It'd be like taking, you know, as you take more credits it's like taking a whole class at that point like 3 credits. I think 3 credits is the extent that you can do for research. But yeah, you can do it for as little as one to 3.\
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Liz Hartman: great, and those end up coming in as non structured credits. Correct?\
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Liz Hartman: Yeah, so that is something to kind of\
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Liz Hartman: take into consideration. If you have a lot of non-structured credits you could kind of get, get a little bit high, so that might be something to check with your academic advisor.\
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Liz Hartman: Fabulous. Okay? So then, Olivia.\
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Olivia Maday: Hi. Um. So my research experience is kind of all over the place\
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Olivia Maday: which is kind of interesting. So I've done research in 4 different areas. And how this came to be came from a lot of summer opportunities. I ended up doing summer research through a program at university at Buffalo, in between my freshman and my sophomore year. And this was around the time that\
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Olivia Maday: I was transferring from a community college before coming to Cornell.\
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Olivia Maday: So I knew that I was applying to Cornell. I didn't know if I'd get in or not, and so I also applied to research programs to see if I could have a basis in case I didn't actually get in. And I'm really glad that I did. And how this summer program was structured is that it was for 10 weeks. So it ran from around the end of June to the beginning of August, and it had, like a one week Bootcamp, for like biology and chemistry, and then they like placed you into a lab for the rest of the remainder of the program.\
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Olivia Maday: And then, usually with these summer programs, they will require you to do a poster presentation.\
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Olivia Maday: So I feel like a lot of that experience I carried with me. Once I came to Cornell. I think I was a little too ambitious once I did get here, so I was applying to labs and a bunch of different interests. So I did research previously in neurobiology. And that was under the psych department. So I was trying to find like neurobiology or just biology labs in general, and they all ended up being full for both my fall and spring semester.\
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Olivia Maday: which ended up being a great thing cause. I think I really struggled with figuring out like what classes I should be taking. I like\
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Olivia Maday: had about a semester or two where I didn't know if I even wanted to be premed anymore. Which I ended up later, finding out that I did still want to stick with being premed so it, I think, having that year off, really let me discover what I really wanted to do. And so when I did start applying to labs at the beginning of my junior year I kind of knew what to expect. I knew that I could handle my course load.\
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Olivia Maday: I like had other commitments outside of school, and I knew that I could still meet those commitments.\
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Olivia Maday: So I started research around October of my junior year. In a chemical biology lab and\
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Olivia Maday: like, Peyton said. You know, because\
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Olivia Maday: I chose to do a chemical biology lab versus like a regular bio lab. It's a little bit different from what I might be expecting to do when I apply to medical school. But the skills that I'm learning I can carry with me to basically any lab of that sort. So I chose that I really want to go MD, but I want to go to a research heavy medical school and possibly take a year off just to do research and possibly like, go to conferences or write a paper or something like that.\
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Olivia Maday: I originally thought I was gonna do. Md. Phd. I thought very long and hard about that, and I chose against it just because I don't think I would use both of the degrees\
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Olivia Maday:  like. I didn't think I would use both of them the way that I should, and I know that with MD. Like I knew I was fully committed to that for almost my entire undergraduate career.\
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Olivia Maday: So that's kind of the way that I went. So going from there, I ended up doing a summer research experience at Cornell going into my senior year. And so when I was here, I actually learned a lot more about other summer programs that Cornell had to offer. The one that I was specifically in stood for Hmi Kurt. It was a program that I got into during my junior year. It was specifically for community college transfer students.\
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Olivia Maday: and it was founded by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. And so they make you do like one credit for the program, and you attend workshops throughout the semester, and you have to have, like a certain amount of attendance to these events, to show that you are committed to the program before they allow you to stay for the summer, and usually they help you to place to be placed in a lab.\
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Olivia Maday: But I ended up getting into my lab without doing that. And just by cold emailing a bunch of professors, or like finding their office and introducing myself. And that's how I ended up getting into my lab.\
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Olivia Maday: but they were supposed to help to place you and then they covered like all the other expenses, and had, like additional workshops, and they also allowed for you to do a poster presentation at the Vet school at the end of the whole program, which I also really appreciated. I think it's always a good thing when they require you to do a poster, just because that's like another experience that you can put on your resume. And it looks really good.\
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Olivia Maday: because the thing with research is that it's really nice to do it. You know, when you're doing it like for the credit hours, or you're doing it for pay. But when you decide, you wanna do research, and it might possibly be something that you'll be doing even after your undergraduate career is over\
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Olivia Maday: you usually want to show that you did some sort of work like you made something, or you put in time and effort into a certain type of project.\
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Olivia Maday: And by doing that, usually you do like a poster presentation, or you do an oral presentation, or you might even write a paper, or just be a part of a paper, and like, learn the process of doing that, because all of these things are important, and are things that you will carry with you say, like to grad school or medical school.\
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Liz Hartman: Great. Thank you.\
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Liz Hartman: I know. Sorry. That was a lot. No, it's great to have someone who's had so many different experiences. Isaac.\
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Isaac Chang: Yeah, so I'll just go from the first bullet point. So I actually got into research in high school. Which is a little different from other students, I guess. Through summer camps and some of that. So that's what kind of motivated me to pursue research. And so I've done\
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Isaac Chang: quite some. I've done research in a lot of different fields, but they've all involved bacteria and so I do a lot of microbiology research cause that's what my high school summer camp was about, and I just fell in love\
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Isaac Chang:  And so I started at Cornell, I would say, sophomore year.\
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Isaac Chang: let my academics slow down in sophomore fall, and then I think, sophomore spring I was a little comfortable with going into research. And so I started contacting labs. But I didn't really start until like April, and so I decided to stay for the summer. And so I did research there. And I'm continuing to do research in that lab. Since I had a really fun experience over the summer.\
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Isaac Chang: And so I would say, for logistics definitely, consider your academic course load. I think that comes first.\
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Isaac Chang: And you know, once you feel comfortable with that. Then you can maybe ease into research. I think when I first started doing research. It was like 3 to 6\'a0hours.\
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Isaac Chang: and now I do like 6 to 8. It's really flexible for me. Because I'm actually not doing it for credit. I actually do it for pay. And this was a decision made between me and my professor just on my flexibility with my schedule. And just how many hours I put into a lab. Yeah.\
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Liz Hartman: being something that you really want to keep in mind, especially if you're thinking about going on to grad school because they are going to be really emphasizing your academic history. And so in the, you know, in wanting to get involved with research, you want to make sure that you're not kind of putting too much on your plate, especially if you're taking a high course load. So thanks for\
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Liz Hartman: You know what is it like. So you show up whether it's the lab or whether it's you know, opening your computer, Isabelle, to to do some, you know, work on the literature review, or, you know, speaking to people like, What are you doing? So, love to hear? And whoever wants to start first can go first.\
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Isabel Stanley: basically, when I started in the fall, okay, I guess I didn't really say what my actual project was. Me and my advisor, she's an equine veterinarian in the animal science, she works in the Animal Science Department as a lecturer as well, and she's trying to develop a program called The Horse for Improvement Program for\
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Isabel Stanley: So basically, my job in the fall was to compile sources, reputable scientific literature, and extend university extension websites and compile them\
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Isabel Stanley: into the different sections of the of the programs. We, of course, help biosecurity facilities, nutrition and formulate questions that we can propose to the farm manager based on this information that's evidence-based, it's not just like from some random website.\
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Isabel Stanley: So that's what I did for most of my fall 2022 semester and then, we continue I continued that into Spring 2023, we launched our first pilot form, so I went with my advisor, and we had a master's student working with us at the time as well, and we kind of just tested out the program. It was definitely a bit\
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Isabel Stanley: rocky at first, it wasn't great. So we went back and re revised stuff, and then I stayed at Cornell over the summer 2023, and at that point we had developed a Qualtrics survey that we sent out to farmers beforehand, so that greatly reduced the amount of time that we spent at on the like during the farm tour for the next 2 pilot farms that we conducted. So um\
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Liz Hartman: Great. Thank you.\
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Olivia Maday: So because I've done a lot of different areas of research. The way that I did research varied. So like, for example, I ended up doing psych research for like 2 semesters.\
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Olivia Maday: And I essentially did a literature review where I was just looking up articles and trying to compile them, to see, like how this specific subject that I was looking at could be seen in a different perspective, and that was done for research credit during the school year. I mentioned before, I'm in a chemical biology lab. So that's more of like the research that you would think of, you know, like, where you're just like sitting at the bench, you know, like pipetting and\
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Olivia Maday: And I've been doing that for over a year now, and you usually do like a project every semester, or you at least you try to\
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Olivia Maday: so I did one project over the summer, and I did a project the spring before that.\
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Olivia Maday: This past fall, though I did not do a project just because I told my mentor that I wanted to focus more on my classes. And so what we decided to do instead was to devote that entire semester to me, just learning as many different techniques as possible rather than just focusing on a project. So it really does vary on what your goals are as well as your mentors, you know, like what the lab is doing like? What are you\
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Olivia Maday: how to do steps. And then, after a while, you know, you take your notes in your journal, and then you're expected to try and do it yourself. So like, for example, with starting off a new project, you're given a bunch of literature, and then usually, you will read that. Go over it with your mentor.\
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Olivia Maday: I also did the neurobiology, which is kind of similar to the chemical biology. It's just a slightly different field and a different focus and then the other research area that I did was Field, or an ethology which is very different from the other 3. So I ended up taking a summer course through the Shoals Marine Lab. So it's like\
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Olivia Maday: It was a lot of field work like you just go outside and you're interacting with the birds. You know, we did surveys.\
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Olivia Maday: We ended up doing a little research paper at the end. And we ended up turning this into a project for the rest of the summer outside of the class, which is very rare to happen? But this project involved us trying to figure out like, if the specific gulls that live on the island had object memory\
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Olivia Maday: which we found out that they did, and so they were more likely to attack you if you were a helmet.\
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Olivia Maday: either carrying a helmet, wearing a hat, wearing a helmet, or wearing nothing at all. And so they found that those that wear the helmet were more likely to be attacked because they do remember those traumatic experiences. So there's a bunch of different ways that you can do research. And it's still considered research. It just depends on what area you do it.\
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Peyton DiSiena: I can go next. I didn't mention this in my like kind of earlier intro but on top of research on campus. I've had 2 summer experiences as well, both off campus at different institutions.\
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Peyton DiSiena: So my first summer 2022, I worked at the broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and I was put into a cancer biology lab and a lot of the work there was very much your typical wet lab bench work. I was doing a lot of pipetting a lot of work with bacteria, with viruses.\
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Peyton DiSiena: And it really gets you engaged with the technical side of scientific research. But this past summer I was at the University of Pennsylvania.\
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Peyton DiSiena: and all my work was computational, and I was working with data that was previously collected by people who would be doing the stereotypical wet lab techniques that I was doing before. And I was doing a lot of data analysis trying to figure out the bioinformatic and computational ways that we could work with the data and visualize it in different, like different sorts of projects that we were working on in the lab.\
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Peyton DiSiena: And currently, I'm at Cornell. I do a little bit of a both. I work on the computational side with genetic and genomic data. But I've also been designing behavioral trials. The lab I work in studies of the neurobiology and behavior of crickets. And my specific project is looking at the complex architecture that initiates hybridization between 2 species.\
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Peyton DiSiena: So I've been looking a lot at, how can genetics help us understand this? And then how can we apply the genetics in sort of like real studies with the crickets themselves?\
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Peyton DiSiena: depending on which field you're in, whether it's which discipline or what kind of projects you're working on. You'll get a lot of different experiences with research, and you should definitely take into consideration whether or not you want to work in the lab and get a lot of techniques and skills. They sort of see a lot of scientists do on like the television or like when you're reading articles about them.\
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Peyton DiSiena: Or if you wanna get really down to the computational side of things and do more of the data analysis or coding those kinds of techniques that you might learn in more of like a dry lab setting.\
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Peyton DiSiena: And then, obviously, if any of you are interested in like non biomedical research or non scientific research. More towards like the humanities side of things. You should definitely look into other opportunities either on campus or summer programs, because there's a lot of research going on that people don't expect, like historical research.\
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Peyton DiSiena: There's a lot of like business research. If any of you are interested in that, and you can definitely reach out to faculty. People are more than willing to have you join their teams or to give you kind of an inner look into what research is like in all sorts of different fields.\
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Liz Hartman: Great, and a lot of the links that will have in the coming slides have a wide variety of different types of research opportunities. Which do include the social sciences?\
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Isaac Chang: yeah. So just to echo what everyone said, it really depends on what field you go into. So like, I've done wet lab and dry lab work, or, you know, more hands-on or more data analysis work, and you know, it's good to try out different things because you'll figure out what you like, and we don't like\
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Isaac Chang: and so currently, I do a lot more hands on work.\
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Isaac Chang: I definitely enjoy that aspect of my research. And so you know, you really wanna just have as many different experiences you can. You know you won't always find what you love on the first try so like don't be afraid to, you know if you enjoy something, you know, there's different aspects to it. Just you know, you can try different projects, you know, and just communicate\
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Isaac Chang: you know, meet with a lot of undergrads. In the lab I'm in, trying to facilitate experiments based on our schedules and communicating with the professor. Like, you know, what's working and what's not working?\
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Liz Hartman: So jumping into finding off-campus research opportunities. You'll want to just ask yourself,\
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Liz Hartman: And those deadlines tend to be skewed a little bit earlier than finding the on campus research? So some deadlines like, for example, are happening like over the next couple of days. But there's plenty of things that are not,\
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Liz Hartman: you know, that that are still gonna be out there. So so definitely, you know, think about where you want to start. And then you could start checking out some of these links, and I will send these slides out today so you can see the links. But\
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Liz Hartman: you know, I mentioned RAU. That's through the NSF, National Science Foundation, and they include all different types of research. There's the OUB has a summer research opportunities database.\
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Liz Hartman: robust. There's also the pathways to science which includes social science, environmental and ag sciences.\
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Liz Hartman: and your department may have additional resources that you want to check out. So those are some of the kind of key places to start looking.\
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Liz Hartman: It some professors, it might be easy to ask them after class, but others you can kind of feel out if that's a good time to do that.\
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Peyton DiSiena: I can begin about my experience. So again, I've done 2 different off campus research opportunities. And both were different programs in general. So for the first program at the Broad, they have a separate online application. And I actually got emails by them is kind of like a recruitment tactic\
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Peyton DiSiena: to apply. Because I'm a member of like a more national like scientific society. So a lot of these programs can see people who are part of these groups, and you know they'll reach out to people who they find interesting\
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Peyton DiSiena: and the deadline again for this program, as well as like the other one that I applied for. We're both very early, either like mid January or early February. So definitely make sure that when you're thinking about applying for these programs, you should really be devoting your fall semester to like finding these opportunities.\
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Peyton DiSiena: asking for your letters of Rec. And then in the winter, like the intercession between fall and spring really try to finish up those applications because you don't want to get boggled down with them at the beginning of the semester, because it can get really overwhelming. Since there's usually essays, you have to write application forms. You have to fill out all those kind of details.\
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Peyton DiSiena: And then for the second program that I applied for at U. Penn, it was part of a larger program called the Leadership Alliance. And we basically, I believe it's on the OUB's Summer research opportunity list, if any of you are interested. But you can also look up online a lot of opportunities and programs. So.\
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Peyton DiSiena: But pathways to science. The website that was mentioned before was a great resource for me, because I found a lot of interesting opportunities to apply for. Again, just like looking up things on the Internet can also just be really helpful searching for programs. Like, you know, if you're interested in genetics, summer research programs in genetics for undergraduates. That'll bring up a lot of opportunities for you. And if you're more interested in like industry, looking up, certain companies, see if they take any students over the summer for internships.\
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Olivia Maday: And so what I did actually, I applied for the wrong one by accident. So I applied for something called the Climb up program, and it had a bunch of different programs that were kind of embedded within this one. So like when you applied through this, it allowed for you to be looked at as an applicant for maybe 3 other separate programs that were all kind of\
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Olivia Maday: got the acceptance letter. Another thing that I found out later is that there is a website that shows all of the re programs available for that year. And like what the subjects are. What grade you have to be in like? What are the requirements? That kind of thing? I believe if you look up like RU programs, or something like that. It should show like this whole list, and you should be able to go through them all and see\
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Olivia Maday: So I would really make sure that when you are applying to these sides, you know, maybe applying to them a little bit earlier would be to make sure you know like, whether you're going to have your room and board if it's not close to home. Making sure that you know that you're applying for the right program for you. So like I said, I applied the wrong one, but ended up being the best thing for me. And then I later ended up being in chemistry. Anyways, you know, life happens.\
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Olivia Maday: But make sure you're applying to something that you are interested in. And it's okay. If whatever you do or summer research internship in that doesn't have to be the same field that you stick with forever. So like. When I found a lab, I went into a different subject. On campus. I think that you should really use these opportunities to figure out if you do like a subject or not\
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Olivia Maday: because you only have these 10 weeks, and in those 10 weeks you learn a lot. So it's really easy to figure out if it's for you or not\
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Liz Hartman: And if there's professors that you already know those are great starting points, because you may be more likely to hear back from them. If you're having trouble connecting with faculty sometimes it's not that they're like purposely ignoring you, but maybe quite busy. And so\
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Isabel Stanley: it isn't like research per se. No one's investigating anything. But still, like lab work, experience. And I was able to join some of his lab meetings and see what they do, which was really cool. But again, I didn't end up taking that experience. But yeah, I'd say that kind of networking through jobs. Definitely like cold emailing people in the Vet school, even and faculty members in your department or the Department of Interest.\
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Isabel Stanley: using your academic advisor as a resource is great. Or if your college or your major has a newsletter there's usually a lot of good opportunities there. So that's just my recommendation.\
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Olivia Maday: And that sort of thing, and then the grad students are the ones that are doing the work. Yet again, this is different for every lab, for, like for my lab experience. That's how I've seen it.\
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Olivia Maday: So I would actually reach out to the grad students and not the pi or the professor of the lab, because those are the people that you need to convince in order to take you on. And they're the ones that are gonna put time and effort into mentoring you and teaching you, in order for you to be able to help them with their work. As long as you know you're able to keep up with the work and stuff usually they don't have a problem with that in order to show that you are committed, I would usually read a paper or 2,\
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Olivia Maday: Hi, I'm really interested in this. Thank you for telling me all these things. I am actually looking to, you know do research and I really love your work. And I was wondering if you had any positions, or if you know anyone that would have a position open because these grad students know everyone in that specific department, usually, whether they like, know someone within that same lab or another lab, they may be able to even direct you?\
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Olivia Maday: So that's how I was able to get my experience. I met with a grad student from a different lab, and they helped me to figure out who had an opening or not. And I like directly emailed that grad student and met with them for like a coffee chat.\
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Peyton DiSiena: So I'm one of the probably few students that found my research opportunity through the student employment hub the student page. So what I did was, I found, an opening in the lab, and I reached out to the professor. It was not for a research position specifically, it was for a job as kind of a lab assistant, making sure that like jars were clean, that there was organization in the lab. And so I took upon that opportunity in the spring of my freshman year.\
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Isaac Chang: Okay, so I just saw someone to ask how to find like grad students and Professors to reach out to. So there, there's a lot of resources. And simply a Google search would also suffice. You know. But I think what's important is knowing what you're interested in. So let's say like you're interested in, you know. Immunology, or something like in that sense, you would just Google, you know, like Immunology and there's usually like a website\
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Isaac Chang: but sometimes they don't update those and so you know, you can just reach out to the professor. And they'll direct you to grad student, or you'll meet with the professor and a grad student on the projects they have and discuss opportunities with you. For me, I simply just went cold email. It is a strategy. It takes a lot of persistence.\
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Olivia Maday: So they usually understand. You know that you are interested in something, and you wanna pursue it, and you just have to prove to them you know that you are interested in this, that you'll be able to keep up with the research, and that you have the time to give them, and that you will basically do your best to keep up with whatever they teach you.\
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Liz Hartman: And a lot of times when you first get started, you're not going to be working on your own project. You're going to be doing. You know, some more basic level things that students who have more experience may not be doing.\
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Isabel Stanley: I remember I actually interviewed for a position once I didn't get it, but I remember the questions that they asked were kind of just like, How do you work under pressure? How do you work with others? How would you? What are your teamwork skills like? They did ask if I had any prior lab experience which\
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Liz Hartman: And if you do see any postings online, so for example, if you're on that portal in Work Day, and you see a position description that can be a gold mine for kind of figuring out. Oh, what kinds of questions might I ask? Because whatever it is that they're emphasizing, they're looking for, those are going to be the kinds of things they're gonna try to get at in the conversation\
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Peyton DiSiena: us, as panelists know, exactly like what you know, the person is asking the question, you know, wants to do with their summer. Why they want to apply to this particular summer program versus others, or whether it's like financially feasible. So it's a difficult question to answer.\
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Liz Hartman: How do we choose which opportunities we should pursue for applications? Should we pursue what is most accessible at the moment, or focus more on our interests?\
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Olivia Maday: I think this is also a more personal thing that you have to consider. So it's more so like what you want to get out of the program or the lab that you are applying for personally like I would try to be in something that I'm more interested in versus what is actually available. And that that means, you know, waiting a little bit until there is an opening that I'm okay with that.\
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Olivia Maday: But yet again, it depends on like what you were trying to accomplish. I have been in a lab where I did not, you know, really like my experience, and I had a really hard time getting through that program, but it taught me a lot of valuable things. Which is why I stuck through it. And those are things that I carry with me to this day, such as how to deal with difficult situations and how to voice like what I want to get out of my experience. But\
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Peyton DiSiena: I don't think it's necessary to have any outside experience or prior experience before summer research program, but just making sure that you are willing to be kind of be a fast learner and doing a lot of things independently, because sometimes the mentors won't be there to like hold your hand through learning how to code. So it is kind of wise to have, you know, some familiarity with, like either python or art before going into, especially like data science programs. I think that they're useful.\
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Jason Stein: Okay, thank you so much.\
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Liz Hartman: Alright. Well, since we've gone a few minutes over, I do wanna stop, so I can respect our panelists time. But\
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Liz Hartman: if any of you are open to having students reach out to you directly, if you wouldn't mind sharing your email in the chat. We'll have that be our last\
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Liz Hartman: thing. And I just want to thank everyone for coming. It was really great to\
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Liz Hartman: hear all of these different experiences, and I hope everyone\
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Liz Hartman: who who attended found it useful. And remember, if you want to continue the conversation, you can always connect with your college's career team or with Central career services. And again, that contact information is on the slides and that Powerpoint, I will be sending out the slides\
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Liz Hartman: very shortly. So you should be all receiving them, and if you have any, if you don't get them for some reason, then you could always contact me directly. I'm gonna put my email\
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Liz Hartman:  in the chat right now.\
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Liz Hartman: And it's also listed as the contact for this event. So thank you so much, everyone, and I hope you all have a great evening and\
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Liz Hartman: good luck pursuing your future research opportunities.\
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Jason Stein: Thank you.\
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