Welcome everyone. My name is Ana Adinolfi I'm acting as the Director of Health Careers Advising here at Cornell, I serve undergraduates and alumni in all schools and colleges. And my office is in 172 Goldman Smith That's where I am right now. Today we're here to talk about choosing medical and dental schools. And this presentation is designed for 2022 applicants or 2023 matriculation. For those of you who are watching this later in the recording. Welcome. I'm recording this at the end of March 2022 the trees on campus. Do not look quite this beautiful yet, but competent look at this. So here's what I have for us today. We're going to look at the timeline for 2022 application for 2023 matriculation we're going to look at some resources for researching medical schools and dental schools. I'm going to talk about what factors you should consider when you're choosing list of schools. We're going to talk about how much all of this costs, will see some Cornell data specifically about MD schools and some national data. Everybody else we'll talk about once you have that, list of schools set What happens next? Mainly situational  judgment tests as your primary and secondary applications. We'll talk about what exists here to support you now and through the summer at Cornell and then of course time for your questions at the end. So this is my agenda. It's an ambitious again if your here live Please use the Q&A box. So before we jump in, This helps me have a sense of who I'm talking to. I can always see the number of participants. I can't see your faces. So if you would take a second to sign into Poll Everywhere and answer this first question that you see on your screen. What is your graduation year? So now put an option in there, or you're 2024 or earlier it's not quite the time for you one. I can't see the results on the screen. Can you see the results on screen? Bummer,  I will tell you we are mostly class of 2022 and 2021, so welcome everyone. All right, let's see if this next one you can see Which application services are you planning to use? this option should allow you to select more than one. AMCAS and AACOMAS Couple Texas OK, it looks like from my side, mostly AMCAS with some AACOMAS ADSAS and TMDSAS-thank you So here's the application timeline. You may remember this if you've attended any of my presentations in September or October, you'll get used to seeing this time line whenever we meet in a large group. But good news is that arrow is steadily keep moving to the right. So we're going to get you to that goal of matriculation. We're getting further and further to the right. All right. It's an in-between point right now. In applications cycle we have a couple big months coming up ahead of us. So I want to break down what is specifically happening in the spring time for you all. So here's just the stuff that's coming up this spring here in April which were close it's on Friday. Some undergraduates have been matched with HCEC interviewers. Some of you will be matched in April and your interviews might be conducted in April or May. If you're waiting to be matched and your undergraduate students, please double-check your HCEC checklist to make sure that your checklist is complete up to the interview section. If that is true and your HCEC checklist, is complete up to the interview schedule section, but you have not been matched with the interview yet. The only thing you need to do is be patient. I know it's hard, but be patient. You will be matched with an interviewer Where HCEC is working on this. As we speak right now. Now, alumni, you don't have an interview and some of you have still not put your HCEC  materials together. I know that those of you who are working on your HCEC materials are most of you are planning to get it done in April. To submit it in early May. So most of you are going to be finishing up that. And I know that a lot of you have MCAT prep that you are working on. April 27th and 28th is is AMCAS Days those  are Cornell programs. We're going to really delve into what do you need to know to fill out the application services, not just AMCAS, but ACOMAS, TMDSAS ADSAS all of the application services that are covered by the HCEC So I'm going to have a little bit of time there in Doug Lockwood from the HCEC is gonna  have a little time here to go over exactly what you need to know. May is big because that's when the application services open up for you to begin inputting information. Not all the dates are all the way published yet. So I have what is true as of today by the end of May, early June, regardless of which application service you're using, we want you to be getting finished up with those materials, can be among the first to apply whenever your application service opens up. Again, I'm not going to go in depth in this. We're going to talk about it super duper in detail at the end of April. So HCEC, those deadlines, the first tier deadline for letter released for alumni, That's June 3rd by noon, undergraduates right now it says June 13th by noon, but that might not end up being true. It'll certainly be after June 3rd because we want you to give me their spring semester grades before you submit, but it'll be in early June date. HCEC will announce it when they have that together Were also entering a season where we're going to see each other a lot more. So beyond April, we'll see each other twice in June to talk about secondary application and about situational judgment tests. And it's like all of our programs, we're going to be recording them, transcribing them, putting them online so that you certainly get access to them whenever you need them. So that's the timeline. Okay. So resources for researching schools, I'm focusing here  on MD, DO and dental applications because those are the health professions that are served by HCEC certainly welcome conversations if you are applying to a different kind of profession, come on in, we'll talk about it. So MD applicants, their resource that exists for you online is called MSAR medical school admissions requirements. That is $28 for one year or $36 or two years. If you qualify for assistance through AMCAS that's cost is covered for you If you don't qualify for fee assistance, but you would love help paying for it. MD applicants. There's an AAMC virtual medical school fair that's coming up on April 19th, 2022 it's run by the AAMC. It's a great place to talk to medical school to learn more about what's going on at medical schools, and you get a 15 percent discount on MSAR if you attend the fair. So now there's little incentive there along with all the great information you'd be collecting. I'm going to include that link and a follow-up e-mail. You can search AAMC virtual medical school fair to get ready to go DO applicants, your resources. So it's the same benefits MSAR but-free. But well, that's great for you. Dental applicants. You have the ADA dental sports or unfortunately, it's not covered by the fee assistance program if you qualify. And I don't have any inside information about discounts to do. We're going to chat and I'll share it with everybody. Is resources are not necessary. But if you have room in your budget for them, I strongly recommend them. They're a great way to not to make sure you're not missing anything. To make sure that you know, all of the medical schools in the state of Georgia, for instance. So great resources. If That's possible for you. So I've gotten this question a lot lately the short answer is, I don't have a formula for choosing which schools you should apply to. At least I don't have a foolproof formula. It's going to work for everybody except for the formula I hate to disappoint you. I don't have one. List of schools are so personal. I'm going to give you ideas about how you can get started on your list, how you can expand that list, maybe narrow the list down depending on your situation. And gets you a list of schools that feels right for you and your particular situation. Also not going to include rankings. On the list of things to consider. So that's a little heads up as well. Because it's less about how highly their rates and more about what is right for you. And for some people, some of the hiring rate for you and for others you think they might be right for you, but their actually not, I don't recommend looking up the rankings to be honest. I recommend starting your list of schools from scratch based on the things that are important to you. And you're like, I'm going to need we're going to cover that in just a second. So I'm going to list of things that people commonly find important. But again, if you don't think it's important, then don't consider. Let's start with this. So first what I recommend is asking yourself the question, how many schools can you apply to? if you qualified for fee assistance programs are hoping to qualify for fee assistance  programs, make sure that you understand exactly what it's covered by that assistance. if you're applying to more schools and are covered by this assistance, then what's that budget, right? How far over can we go if you're paying for this yourself or have someone else he was offering to pay for it. Now is the time to figure out, is there a budget? What is that budget? So that you don't end up with a perfect list and then realize you can't afford to pay to apply to all of them. And I put over here in this chart the breakdown of what costs might look like for this upcoming cycle, I chose 27th or this calf applicants. And you'll see the biggest expense on theories secondary uppercase, a run $50 to a 150 dollar per application. I averaged it out to a 100. Of course, it might end up more than this or less than then. The second biggest item just by a hare is the additional schools, Vietnam assets $42 per school after you submit it at one school that's included with the primary an application. So how many schools your eye to drastically impact the total amount that we're spending on this upper teacher. So I'm going to show you what these look like for everybody and what's covered by primary. I wanted to put this out here as it's an expensive process. And if somebody has set a course, honey will pay for your medical applications. This is a great reason to ask them. Do you actually mean by that? When you say, Hey, is it no budget is at $40 thousand budget, is it a $100 budgets? How am I going to allow that? So here are all of the application services, right? Zebra your strengths. On the left there you have the name of the application service and the cost for that primary application and or additional swarm. And then on the far right is the program's. Note that if you qualify for free assistance, you also often have secondary use b for you. And if you don't qualify for assistance, but the secondary fees are going to represent hardship for you financially. It doesn't hurt to y3 touches for us to ask them, I don't qualify for assistance. The Severan difficult for me to hover financially. Is there anything available doesn't hurt? When you're thinking about leaderless, think about these overall cost. Make sure that the people who might be helping you out have an understanding of the OSI model, set up a realistic number at school stuff, right? Yeah. Okay. So be around money. The second thing that I want you to be considering is time. Think ahead to your site. Are you traveling or you're starting a new job or you relocate a or you just burned out from the wife. If school that you apply to add more time to what you're going to have to spend. I, particularly for NGO, NGO up kids are certainly going to have secondary piece at those secondary applications are a series of essays that you read her school. And they tend to come in a couple of big means in the summer, the Firstly tense, the only June or early July when your application gets transmitted out to this fourth. So let's say you apply the 24th, you make it 10 secondary applications in one day. And it's recommended that you can click those 10-second your applications with its units. So then if you apply the affordance, you make a secondary applications in one day with the exact same extra teaching that you're going to get them. He did within two weeks of receiving. And I point this out because I see are rocks with African said they optimistically select a lot of schools and their primary. And then they don't end up completing all the secondary applications because you run out or they run out of energy to continue on and devote all of that time that they need to that process. And so if you're real estate now about what your time is going to look like in July, you can choose an appropriate listened schools right now. So that's what I recommend and not why I don't recommend just blend, get a fine to a bunch of schools because I see people with steam every single year I see it. And so, and asked me about it right now. You for international applicants, are those with a status. I also want you to be thinking about where can I apply? Who access method? Is it citizenship status? I don't want you to get your heart set on a school that doesn't accept apprehensive your status. That's a great PCS. Certainly whenever. It's okay. So I probably don't have you just save as you go. I know that prevents love spreadsheet and I love that about well. But it's a great time to make a spreadsheet to start Erebus school, having a spreadsheet is a great thesis. And we talked about rows. How many, how many schools you can apply to. And so let's talk about columns. Some of the factors that people consider when they are applying to law schools. Once you have an idea of how many schools location, that's usually that first unit we'll consider. The very first thing to consider is resonance. There is lower tuition. If you are, you can see resonance. And you also have increased consideration for in-state residency because a lot of times the ski in part funds the medical school with their tax dollars. This is a consideration for public schools. Private schools sometimes a location that's a consideration that your tests that area. And when I see it tries to that area residency, of course, is the number one thing that ties to the area. Something like a family in the area or you live, there actually were five. Or your partner at Cornell is from that area, something like that in giving ties to the area. If you give it this way, if you are from Florida, let's say you have a tie to New York State because he went to Cornell. So, you know, so much more about suny Upstate, let's say, than somebody from your high school was never set foot in New York. Doesn't even own a hats, doesn't know it's Eric uses like heavy. All right. So you would have a better piece to mix it up. See, I understand, But like this, like here, I have a support network here. I'm comfortable in this area and maybe I don't want to live in this area after graduation, you have a much better keys to suny Upstate than your friend from Facebook has never been. So these are absolutely factors to consider when making your list. Right now I'm working with a lot of applicants for me right now because it's an EPA authority of things. And this is a lot of this I am what it comes down to is location and picking the best place for that. The other thing that I want you to think about is very happy living for it. It's a long time and it's a signif, easily stressful period in your life. So cost of living might be a factor. I also got students who would prefer to live at home to save money. For instance, you have distance. Thinking about quality of life. Do you want to be in a community where other people and actually to be share your viewers. Do you know where you want to be after badge editions, you want to south in that region of the country. These are great things to be thinking about when you're putting together your lessons are absolutely legitimate things there about more. Next, It's pretty grading is usually what I recommend people think of first is the grading pass-fail as more and more medical schools aren't you to do letter grades. They bring students and they rank students. When do they start battery in? Brain systems can affect the culture I school in some African time, really strong opinions about that. So this is the kind of thing. Do I have strong opinion about that? Do I not? The other thing to think about is style. If you're not familiar with problem-based learning, that's a very popular style of instruction for medical schools. And so this is a great time to do some research about what is problem-based learning or yell, as that's something I would be interested in, is that an environment I would ride? So doing that information, take that time to look into it and see if it might be a good match for you. Another thing so important, so many pronounces research integration. What are the research opportunity is our students are encouraged to get involved in research? Is it for, wired for them to be involved in research? What does that look like? Is their mentor ship already available there for research if that's something that's super important to you. Another thing is clinical training and the start time for that clinical training course. All medical, dental education has clinical training as a part of it. But how early you get that clinical training might end up being a factor that's important to you. Do you want to start in semester one? Do you want to wait until year three? What makes the most sense for you, your situation, and how you want to get started with your medical education. So that can be other stuff too. Next up is political environment. This is in addition to location. Is this medical school CR? Are the students doing their clinical work in one location? Are there different locations? What's the patient population being, sir, How does that relate to the population of patients that both discern one day you have that information. We know that about yourself. Now if you're passionate about working with refugees, for instance, we want to find a hospital where a lot of the patient's condition as refugees. See if that clinical environments. When you're thinking about outcomes after IV Medical School, bit about the strength, the size of a hospital system or the clinical system that's associated with that brand. So is it going to be easy for you to get a residency as you get it easy for either pursue what you want to pursue. Again, to me, this is not about rankings. It's more about where people match. That even with natural for it. I don't want you to be looking at the exact hospital, the exact specialty, that action. It's more general, right? If I'm going to this public institution, for instance, is there a chance for me to, not outside of this Nicholas's, you most people an action cyclic system, how difficult would it be for me to get a residency in an area that's not family medicine or something like that. So looking at the notch reports, it's kind of a big, broad idea where people end up afterwards and imagine that you can be part of that package. And lastly, it is mentorship. Now how are you going to work with faculty? What's the setup for working with faculty? Is there something that is facilitated by the medical school? What are people saying about that? All right. Opportunity. So do does the school have opportunities that match your interests or you have the ability to see things and you start something new or doing something that's already existing. If you had activities that were very important to you and your friend, underground activities that are invariant branching now. And you'd be involved with something that year's tax rules. Is there something specific that you know that will be helpful for you to have support for you as a professional that's going to help you be successful. Mental health support is a good one. Under-represented minorities in their community there for you to disability services, but it's the access like him Let us getting access to those services. So what support do you like? What support do you need to be successful? Lastly, do you have your focus outside of the clinical stuff? What else it is? Is it that you're interested in? Do you want to combine program or MD PhD applicants may also be working at finding origin and the length of funding to determine whatever your best. So also other things to think about and again, really get you and what's important. So have mission and vision on here. Well, it's nice to meet you that Lu Xun Stephens when you read them, it's really hard to tell, but the difference and they do blend together. I hear you I max, to me, the best way to discern among all of the different mission statements ambition sequence is honestly to read them, but you'll see some of these words that I have here on the screen repeated again and again. So look for clues. Are they talking about education? A bunch of they not mentioning it, or they're mentioning it or throw away. Are they talking about research? Are they talking about leadership or the mini? Talking about being a rural institution and serving a population. Whatever it may be. It's in there in the mission statement, I promise you. But it's strangely, they all seem to blend together and so you bring a box and then I start this also spending time I schools, but it can be something that is helpful. I'm going to circle back to that later. Okay, so are there other ways to investigate? So in addition to the application service, let's say the ADA goes for all that stuff. And then hearing directly from the schools and sounds like I said, there's that fair for AMC and tensile NGOs. They don't have that information right now. I'll e-mail that out and they do looking at the information sessions for this fall, we've had some schools come for information session specifically for students and Wilkins, you to advertise those. But if there is a school that you're really interested in, that we haven't had that school dual webinar where yet. But once it, That's those. Let's see when the information session you'd be so useful to hear directly from admissions professionals. They're great source of information because they're talking about their sport, which they're so passionate about. You can also talk to current students or recent alumni of that school, see if they have any additional perspective to offer. Those are people who are in your network. Okay, So putting together lists, I recommend thinking about all those factors that I just mentioned. And starting with the brain's, who are you? What is important to? You know, maybe you have a passion for global health, but because of the pandemic, you weren't able to travel as much as you want. So maybe traveling abroad is a priority for you and you're trying to medical school. Maybe Ithaca was really not a good fit for you and want to be sure that you're in an urban area for medical education. Maybe you. Definitely, no, you want to work with children and so you want to medical school that's associated with a pediatric hospital. There's so many things to think about. I will give you a hint to get started. The answer is not, I don't care. I'll go anyway that we'll see if it's not a good way to decide what's important to you. I want you to be happy and tap. Think of it like if research is really important to you as an undergraduate and you go to this or where research has kind of an afterthought, you probably wouldn't be here because you'd be trying to opportunities and further your research and those opportunities just air it also meet secondary applications and areas much easier with the spot critically ahead of time about what am I interested in? Why do I like this or why am I good? Form? And another reason that I'm kind of pushing this so much is that I don't want is for you to end up except it only once wall. And it ends up being as forward. You don't want to attach the opportunities, you're just not good. You're not a very good fit there. You frankly should have taken it off your list before you even apply. I want to say to you that time that money at Hardy and how easy this research ahead of time so that you're kind of sifting through all of the walls and picking only ones that are relevant to you. Notice I didn't talk about how GPA or engage you score or an capsular, yes. And that was on purpose because I really do recommend starting with the elements that I mentioned earlier before, we look at charts. Now, if your list of schools is just the top 20 schools, according to US News and World Report. Even the applicants are the highest metrics will have some spots on there that are not. At bus, you're applying to all the most competitive schools in the nation. So even if you are, I'm not sure it's apprehend that step recipe is selected. If you only choose the 12 schools that exact match, we're M CAT score and your GPA or whatever. Probably since wasn't on that list, that one It's up to you because you're not an in-state rather than a bat's or you're just not interested and not location or they go propria or ambition that you're really interested. I highly, highly recommend that you start and then create a wish list. And not wishlist is likely going to end up being shorter or longer than that. Igos, the school that we talked about when you're trying to figure out what I have that spending money or, you know, there's no safety schools and co-enzymes. Those will be, what we can do is strive or if thou, so we say rates in range and see for ourselves, and we use metrics not to start a list, but it's a little bit less after you've looked at all of your options and all your interests. So even if you have high matches, like I said, it's not going to, your list can't be only the most in this course because there is so much that selective. You may also be looking at highly selective, like I said, out of C, public, if you're not a member, you had a resident of that state, you're going to see sometimes that can be accessed. Sometimes that is not a good option for you because they're not as interested in ADA states or even at your metrics look good for that school, might be as hard to get that as a highly selective private SWOT this because they're not quite interested in people who are residents, lets you sometimes other schools will have resonance lines at reading when they don't necessarily have a preference. Reaches her. But I didn't want to. This is a wage you from reaches. I think they're lovely. And the downs is going to depend on your overall, the smalls, how many schools you're applying to, and you know what your level of risk. So the other thing, metrics rise that I haven't addressed yet, but I want to make sure to say is I have it mentions the cost of attending. And that is on purpose. Oh, wow. So many people end up making their final decision based on the attendance for sure. I don't recommend we would surely limiting your list of schools based on the cost of it. Because you can't know what's the financial aid packages look like in also, can't know what you're going to be awarded a merit scholarship. And sometimes there's opportunities and to negotiate for merit scholarships. So I seeing these, again, this is the, this is the point on this. I go where the people a year ahead of you are right now with their negotiating is in packages and merit scholarships and that sort of thing. And there's just so much variability that often what ended up looks like a good deal at the beginning of your application cycle, actually doesn't end up being the best deal when you're looking at where you're actually admit it and what their financial aid packages are. So absolutely, we need to consider attendance, cost of attendance and the tuition is but I recommend that you save that question for April 2020 so we can keep that can have that conversation. Let's see how that ends up for you. Okay, so let's adds some n-side Dana. So I pull this effort I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I chose suny downstate, yes. Because most recent data for all applicants exception to this rule. So this gives you a sense of just a small snapshot of what we can find if you're looking. Yes, sir. So let's say my GPA is 3.5 cumulative. They have a three-point or science. If you look at these bars here that are giving you the percentage in onshore short of the dark orange bar. But the light orange bar reuse. This is where we get to the subjectivity it off. If I have a 35 and find the suny Upstate where the average is 37. Am I in range? Is the service shrew me. You can vote right now. You might be kind of scheme, which is, which it's hard to say it so subject. And then let's say my cat scores by 14, which is like smack. Their average score for their ended it as i'm I'm solid, I'm right in that dark blue. So does that now make this the targets for where, where are we with that? See it. So it's objective is to say, you know, and just looking at metrics, it's not looking at maybe I'm in New York state resident and this is a publics or my home state. Maybe have a 35. Yeah, but my GPA was so high my last few semesters that are now. So I have this beautiful upswing and that was absolutely lovely. Maybe I'm very heavily involved in research and on my gap, you're doing research right now. But you can't see as part of this is that 93 percent of people who were admitted to see suny downstate last year participated in undergraduate research. So I will get company F research is very important to me because that's 95 of people do that. So maybe those things negating were the targets for me. But again, it's hard to say. So now let's look for data for about 48 hours site, which I know is on many, many of your list. But my 35 students solid below the 10th percentile. So based on that alone, I would say the reach for me my right at the 10th percentile for me. Thank you. Which I'd like to see you in that 20 to 70 percentile. But if you haven't school, work and you dream big, you know, why not? Start with somebody with a 514 who's at the 25th percentile, finally bought I don't know, sir, my application it and look, they got it about right now. People often ask me what percentage each year you should have it, honestly, that's completely up to you. Your comfort level, your risks. And to me it goes back to the muscles. You have the time money to IgA, hey, if you want to go for it, if you're private rituals and you're applying to you a list of 15, that's probably not the best idea. If you're applying to ten reach schools and you're fine. So it was early tools walls, and that only represents a third of the schools you're applying to you about it. I hope this gives you an idea of what you see on Amazon. Again, this is only a tiny snippet of what's the data that's out there. And another reason why I strongly recommend that. Okay. I have a question in the Q and a. I'm going to cover it. How would you recommend calculating GPA for transfer postdoc students to use as a reference for GPA. And actually just recommend street a willing and online GPA calculator. If it's a undergraduate classes, you can add that GK directly into your printouts. If it's graduate classes, that GK is not added into your phrenology? Yeah. And so it's considered separate. It's one of those like extra perks that you can have with undergraduate research, like 93 percent of the box. It's a chance for classes was for classes. Any glasses? I'm undergraduate level, they get smashed. Church has fortunately we can cast the Fc region is or see your Cornell GPA. They'll see any GK from processes of after print out. Then they'll see those two GPAs together. The combined together and boundaries here. Yeah. So it's it's a lot. I'm happy. I'm happy to play around with that as well. Finally, Ooh, yes, I'm going to cover one of the expressions in the minutes. Yes, yes. Questions for me on that. But I'm first sorry. This one is your deal will be again the ground. Okay. All right. Most the most people are refining have already good at It's an amazing June's 2018. Hello. Hey. I asked you I'm getting a lot of questions about that. So I wanted you a jurist this and I'm going to adjust that he came up and a couple of ways that are here. So obviously, endcap or DAG is 50 percent of the equation when we're looking at metrics. And I put the three big expression than getting about a year so that you can kind of impressive. Let's, let's tackle them. Al-qaeda. So the first is, how do I make my list if I want to make this worth back? If he feels that I recommend doing using that method. But I suggested earlier, you're likely going to end up with a very long list of school in some people that long lists. And then when you get your scores, you tailor it, be some light source and that you also a slim down your list to this wasn't no matter what regardless of what my x squareds, I'm going to schools and then fill in the rest of you unless you when you get back. So absolutely. Can I submit my application performance worse than that? You can. So I suggest if you're otherwise ready to go with your application is submitted in time for the ECC first tier at that war, if your cast, you are not going to have your application transmitted until June 24th. Basically have that month of June, so kind of mess around with you at law schools. And that's where it comes down, comes out in that mileage. So you will be able to submit either a future and cacti are in cash or with passe, but you just don't have a backbone. So that is absolutely a possibility. And if you're otherwise ready to fine, I think go ahead. Estimate to eat that first year ago. What if I need to push back my M cacti? I don't actually get this question. The question I get is I will make and I find that I'm Kat and still apply the same. And of course my answer is it. This is something that I absolutely want you talk to your advisor about these. It's such a delicate balance of I was studying going. Are you otherwise ready to apply? How risk averse are you? Near full length practice tests have union in fact safe Generally when he hasn't June, which I didn't see anybody who was planning that. It's hard to justify applying mistake wasn't posted an excellent, but obviously there are exceptions that we talked about various advisor about that because we're sure help you make that decision about what is the best for you. Okay? So I've got some data for you. These are the numbers that you see are the average number of schools that applicants to. 16 is the national average of school, and 27 is the national average of the scores. Here at Cornell, I ran the state every other areas. I don't know exactly why pronoun going by so many workflows than the national average? There are a lot of outliers, people go on. It's all starting up that number there advocates of how finance on privilege they have the time in the late. So I drew a bunch of spore that also that number only reflects designated primary schools, not competed secondary schools. There's no way for us to check how many Suppose you completed the secondary to you. So there's definitely be W2s start out with a long list and like I said before, we'll end up not apply to all of this. Was that a designee? I encourage you to do that work so that you apply to only the smallest that you're interested in. Don't end up making really tough decisions when they're kinda up to your chin in secondary app, you should also know these averages I have DO the National Geo average is 10 and the National Dental averaged ten on here. This is not how many schools you should apply to. You should approach the school. My mom, schools that isn't rates for you and worse as it gets. I also wanted to note that pronoun applicants and this is covered in the course. You can go back to that section of ECA out-breath. You're curious what I'm up against. You tend to have slightly higher test scores and flowy. The lower GPAs than the national average now is reflecting the right. You're here right now, I'm making sure you pass through those sciences. Medical schools, understand that it often comes back in return for higher. I'm Chatsworth, but GPS, absolutely. You see them a little bit lower or now? Let me make sure that I answered all of us. Yes, Yes, Yes. Great. Yes, Somebody asked you to quickly adjust that and cat cool stuff I find with a score, yes, you have to apply with an end date even if it's a D in the future. So that isn't risky because obviously you haven't seen yet know how you're going to perform on. You may end up putting my, the thing that I worry about 30 and I am a risk averse person. Just said up there, the thing that I worry about when you submit and CAS before you apply, before you are taking here, is that you may perform so brilliantly and kept that you decide to scrap your application Nazca. And then all of that time you're out on that money, you have to wait until 2023 anyway. And so that's why it really There's some obviously there's so many factors between just go for it and don't apply because it might end up in the worst-case scenario. And a lot of that is about the strength of your application. Otherwise, in their preparedness for the M hats, for company feel about them. And so I don't, I don't think it's a horrible idea for everybody. It makes me feel nervous. But again, I'm risk-averse, so expensive either I want you ought to get in, I want you to get in that first applied. I hope that that answers your question. Okay, a couple other ones I'm going to draw here. So who write about that? So now it's like fuck me together with disclose. What else do we think about at this point in the cycle? The next big thing is primary applications. Like I said earlier, we're going to have today is specifically for Cornell students. We're going to cover this information for you. Day one on April 27th. That's my shell we're going to look at not just in past years. They asked for them to look at abs half. We're going to look at wellness. We're going to talk about what are common questions I get asked people, what are the pitfalls you use or out for? What questions you have about this we're going to cover in depth, but what do we need to know about? So Appreciation, Day 2 on if oxygen is going to be dumped walkway from the ECC talking about everything needs to know about the HCPC letter over the summer, making sure you understand how the process works, making sure that you get all of your questions answered about the sea so that you have information on your mind so that when the HEC is our busiest time of year, you don't have as many questions for them. Again, at these things, I know that that's right before a big Chetty are a lot of you. So again, these things are gonna be recorded. They're going to be chance that they're going to be listed on their website. So if you're working, if you are cramming for the UNC, you're taking a mental rest day before your M cat day. Believe though put this on your radar for the recording. It will absolutely be posted online, so no need to worry about that. If you are able to attend live, that is the best option. If it's not going to be too stressful for you because then you can get your answer. And then I'm going to be covering situational judgment tests also at length bungees. First, I wanted to offer a review here because we're discussing timeline and I know that so many of you have a lot only wanted to. So situational judgment tests, SJ teams, squabble, decoding them. It's another evaluated measure. It That's all that was used. Yet you're fit for the institution. That's a test paper. It means you are Casper, which is pretty sweet, which you may have heard a and a and C preview. And that used to be known as the AMC situation on that metastases you're extending. Some schools use them. Don't use them. So it's good to how offensive your list of schools before we even know, do we have to worry about situational judgment tests that up? Maybe this isn't an issue. I will warn you that most of you are probably going to have a school that requires Casper on your list. Incas preview, there aren't as many schools who use it. But for everybody have a spooler to watch TV. Considering this now, thinking about, and I want you to be considered now because I recommended intake the SG teeth in June or early July. If you're able to, it's not going to be a huge drain on I'm most applicants are only in one or two days to prepare for it. In addition to the couple hours you need to take that speak the actual tests. But you need to think ahead because you have to find and select it, see, if you need a fee waiver disability accommodation requests out a couple of weeks ahead of time, those sorts of things. You can't really separate yet, but it's coming up soon. So a and C preview, if I say fewer schools there, their registration opens up this around April 5th and they're testing needs or your roommate, September Altis is the company who does cough all sneeze. And they've said that they're testing the bill and we had a webinar with them on March 9th, and they said they're gonna be available toward the end of March or early April for you to be able to write this. I checked a couple of hours ago. It's not open yet, but hopefully soon it will be available for you to write a step. And certainly I will send you an email when it's time for you to be able to register for a test, half for testing its last year, at least. Again, it's not posted yet for this year, they went from early May all the way until January. And that's because they don't just serve us fools. They can be in schools and other health professions and stuff like that. Some schools are using your SAT scores to evaluate whether or not they want to invite you to review. So that's part of the secondary application. And it takes two or three beats for your SAT scores to be evaluated and chance that it just pools, which is why I'm kind of like let me get this done in June, early July, if that's possible. Again, covering this super in-depth in June 1st and not going to see it's on a person's thought it right now. But I want you to think about it, particularly if you're moving or you're going to remote island for two beats and something that I want you to be factoring in the few days that you're going to need to be caring for it to less tax. So that's SATs. And again, June 1st, we're going to get all. The next thing is secondary, the institutions which I talked about a little bit today. We're going to have an in-depth conversation about it. So week after we talk about SATs, the password and spend so much time together over the next few months. I'm very excited. So like the SAT, I'm bringing up as a preview right now just because it might end up being part of your planning in the month of June. Like I said, some people have a long ambitious schools and even a ton of money issue about find, although it ends up being it tight issue if you don't have all the time that needs a secondary applications. We want you to get your stuff. We recommend that you get your secondary applications back within two weeks, ever see it? And you might have heard of prewriting secondaries, which is basically looking at perhaps that ahead of time for previous years, taking the chance of the prompts are going to be the same. And then writing those essays ahead of time. Writing It's not necessary. But most people don't do it. But some people might want to consider it if you're going to be available, unavailable, like if you're going on vacation for two weeks in July, or you have a lot of going on, or you're very community schools. Those instances, it may help you reduce your stress and ensure that you actually they're all writing down and that it's high-quality writing. That's what we want you to have. So starting on the list is full, helps you plan for your acute in July because you think are a file find as many schools, what am I getting all of these various done. And don't want you to have to do something hard. Lake gets a little vacation. You're doing Burger two years or try and do 20 secondaries on your first two weeks of your branding job, something like that. So if you think about it, it might end up being part of your gene. For most people to do something you enjoy, I must have extenuating circumstances in July or you're just letting child fine to a bunch of schools. You absolutely are weapons to help careers advisor about that pleading. Again, it's not something that most people do, but for some people, it's appropriate. And so we're getting down to it. How can you get help with your application? Is it January about and so much time together? First know that if your in house or even an allergy, you have how a specific advisors who crop up sprites and Sciences students and everyone else's meet. Her now, Career Services offers specific help in two areas. One is in Caffe personal statement. So please use for Docker services. They have enough payment types such just personal. The other thing that they offer is help with practice interviews. If you go on the Cornell Career Services website and you select, you can scroll down to get to help Greer's interviews. And they also are part of those help respects. These are each Lucy practice. So if you're an undergraduate and then super worried about you, see, why not practice it went up her services first because they can help assets, so they're a great resource for that. Now there is your network crates, you have supported them partial friends, letter of recommendation writers, professors in the members who can look at your documents. You can provide insights, you can talk to them, things like that. And then VD is to talk to eat. So most of you know, I have drop-in hours on Mondays and Wednesdays or individual drop-in hours Mondays it's one to four PM Eastern time, and Wednesdays it's to get working at a certain time. And that is you sign up for a 15 minute time slot the morning of the drop it. So right now it's Tuesday evening. If you went and you looked, you would see no drop-in times available. But tomorrow morning at 845 Sinai, you'll see all the drop-ins and said I ought available for Wednesday afternoon. So you have to enter the data to find out that 60 minute time slot, this one out. And Tuesdays from The fourth theory, I'm just sitting in a room and whoever shows up a chapter in. So if you're having trouble getting an exact 15 minute time, really need a 30-minute up when it gets in the room. Drop-ins are great because you're assured access to me. I'm just sitting and waiting for people to come in. It's never really been more than three people or Zoom or in that Zoom Room and it's running. So even if you had to wait a second for your question and answer, you're not waiting for hours and hours. I also have 30 minute appointment times on those four to six weeks ahead of time. And looking into right now, which I know it's hard and I'm very sorry, I wish that I had more time today. I do open up appointment times every so more appointment times revenues every week for the following week. So I pulled back Ebola outbreak of times. Just for that, we will also cancel out. So if you go online, you see no appointments and some may please check back. There will be openings there a cancellation. I really encourage you if you watched me for 30 minutes. If I'm looking at last is healthcare is getting patients like the one that we're in right now. You sign up on Handshake. We're going to get everything up on the monocular Services Media Library. See, look at all the presentations, are able to put them in person. So that's is the house. And that's all I have. I'm going to jump into the questions. I see a bunch of them. So if you have a burning question and you really have to dig up, go ahead and put that in the Q and a box, and I will start running rabies. I recognize that it's 530 so that if you need to leave, go right ahead. I'm going to be here answering these questions and they'll be posted there. Where do I advertise information sessions for Coin asked you is this is done through Kangxi. If your sign via Handshake to receive help curves notices, that's how you get these. Another place is just to be registered with the HCPC. So periodically I will send out emails and I think something's very important. I'll send it out just to see registering for 2022. So if you're an alumni here and you're not yet registered with the HCPC. That is going to be an important step in making sure. Yet to me, how would you recommend it to them? How you balanced metrics if your GPA and I'm just like a 325 Greek 16 and a hypersonic class. This is a great time to bring your list to occur as advisors. At this, this is fun. It's like doing Sudoku and just exercises my worry that help you with the list. Again, it's very common for Cornelius you have an uncapped floor that doesn't buy it, knocks 30 or impact score is higher than what we would expect that given me. And so that is a very common problem. It's one of those good problems to have and it is tough to balance out your list. Usually people are a little bit more broadly if that's available to you and if it's not available to you, it's a great time to me that a hot press advisor, because it helped me pick and choose which tools make the most sense. We need the lessons to take off your list? Hey, answered the question. You know, if admissions committees take Cornell's rigor into their evaluation yet, so the, the example is a 3.5 here and work in Canada than 3.5 at another school? Yes, you do get consideration pretty early pieces were a lot of perihelion to five. Absolutely. They are considering a rigor here and they know that your B plus inorganic Hampshire, he was a Harvard. Was. Is there a database where we can search all the information for health profession, professional schools, what kind of lecture style? Graphic springs means, matching rates, et cetera. Remember there are services like that. What I'm fine. So that is going to be those databases I showed you earlier, the ADEA, dental, DOT 4, and 5, a medical school admissions requirements. It's going to give you I would say three quarters of the information that you just listed there. Things like demographics, braiding style, that sort of thing, match rates. Sometimes you have to bow to the actual school's website. But most of that information desk right on the M's are the DO RE for real applicants reapply to schools or start a new list. I love that's hello re applicants. I know there are many applicants. I don't want you to reapply to the exact same list of schools where you are hyper. If you received interviews at school, I would check to see if those schools will offer you some sort of application assessment and see for the schools that you interviewed will they talk to you about why they didn't end up choosing your application sometimes they're very interested in talking to you and sometimes they arn't If they're interested in talking to you, then I would talk to them and see what they have to say about your application and what you have to improve because then you can assess. Okay, did I improve the thing that they didn't select me for the 1st time next rime around and should I reapply if you didn't fix the thing that they didn't like about you, but it doesn't make sense to reapply. But if you did that, Yeah, go for it. I usually recommend for re-applicants you add a few new schools in there maybe and cycle, a few old schools off. It makes sense to do an evaluation based on, you know, who offered you interviews, who offered you wait-list what was your balance and your lists of schools? that's a great time to talk to a Health Careers Advisor. Is it true that AMCAS opens on May 4th? and AMCAS submissions open on  May 28? May 3rd AMCAS opens, I'm looking at my post-it note on my computer May 3rd AMCAS opens May 23rd submission begins, June 24th is the first transmission date. So those are the dates that I have. I'm taking my MCAT June 4th. Should I submit primaries to all of my school lists when AMCAS opens, or is it better to just submit to one to two schools and the rest when I see receive my score? Is that too? That's gonna really depend. It's going to depend on how you're studying going and how confidence you are about the MCAT. So for most people, if you have a shortlist of schools you're going to submit that whenever you submit AMCAS but it might depend on your specific situation. So let's chat about it. Where are the recordings uploaded? Recording is uploaded. If you search for Cornell Career Services Media Library, that's where you will find our private presentations and that's where this presentation will end up. is it correct to say that every MDs, school does require one of the SJT's, either casper or PreView No, some med schools don't see the value in the SJTs and so they don't participate. More likely a balanced list from Cornellian who's very interested in schools on the East Coast, you're probably going to have at least one school on your list that requires CASPER. Most people aren't gonna have a School for sure for sure on their list that requires PreView But it's not inevitable. It's just Casper ends up being inevitable for most of the applicants that I work with because of the list for later ages where for SJT/CASPER are those scores  sent directly to the schools. I.E. do need to have your list of schools ready whenever you register for the test or can you send those to those forth? You get the results. So the preference is that you have it ready beforehand. So you'll see on that. You'll see when you go to sign up for CASPER/ SJT select the schools that you want to score to. But can you upload your score afterwards? Yes, you can. It's just annoying. And each school will have a date that they want you to have completed the SJT, why because you just have to make sure that you're abiding by whatever that's schools statement is. Okay. Is there an HCEC interview for alumni? No, HCEC doesn't give interviews to alumni it's written based on the written materials that are submitted to them. All right. I will chat. I'm going to put in the link when I'm done answering questions that lead to other recordings I have a question for an alumni. Is it okay to submit HCEC as an alumni in early to mid May or is that too late? I think the that early to mid-May is fine for submitting your  your HCEC stuff My main concern when we get into May with your HCEC stuff is I want you to be focusing on AMCAS in May. AMCAS opens on May 3rd I want you to be able to piviot, to your focus. AMCAS but if you have tons of free time in May and that's gonna be an easier for you to get the HCEC stuff done. Your ACC stuff is super high-quality, then it's usually fine. I also recommend that you search simultaneously working on AMCAS if your using AMCAS at the same time you're doing HCEC because while HCEC doesn't have strict word limits and character limits, AMCAS does And I want you to be writing as close to AMCAS character limits as possible, which is not advice that I would give you if you're doing it in January, lets say. When you say transmission is June 24th, does it still matter when you get your application in before that? I love this question. It's going to be covered in depth in the AMCAS days But yes it matters when your application in before then because HCEC. It places you in the  letter writting queue based on when you submit AMCAS So they go week by week. That's how I know June third is the date for alumni. Don't quite know the undergrad. Date yet, So everybody who applies between May 26th and June 3rd as an alumni is going to be in tier one. And then tier two, we'll start on June 4th If that makes sense and then everyone applies in that second. Instead of being tier 2 and then everyone that applies in the third week is going to be tier 3. So that's how HCEC places you in the letter writing Que and that's why it matters, When you submit AMCAS, your absolutley right, you could submit. AMCAS  on June 19th if you wanted to but that would put you in Tier 3 of the HCEC and so your letter would be written after everybody else in tier 1, tier 2 I know it's very confusing Are that make sense? Please rest assured we're going to cover a super in-depth in AMCAS Days Alright, beyond personal statement and the work experience section. Is there anything else we can be rewriting for AMCAS No, a disadvantage statement if you receive an academic integrity violation or a judicial administrator violation, And, and yes, we want to be working on that essay improving it perhaps, that's pretty much it. Those are the big things that need. And you've already written all of these for the HCEC and HCA App. If you participated in that. How do you medical schools consider more than one MCAT score? So if you took multiple administrations of the MCAT they absolutely can see every administration of the MCAT you have taken how they chose to use that score is up to this specific school. So do they super score? They average them, do they look at, the highest, do they look at  the lowest percentile. All of that is going to depend on the school and sometimes on these specific admissions Members who's looking at your application. What are the downsides to submitting your application? Without spring grades, yeah, you'll have to get your application verified when you have spring grades. So it gums up the works later on in the process because you are going to need those spring grades in order to have it ready for application. What writing support is there for each HCEC, AMCAS especially for alumni Yes. So you can use Career Services that's specific for for alumni and as undergraduates at any school or college. If you are in CALS or Human Ecology, you can use your college health careers advisors. They will also look at personal statements do practice interviews all that good stuff So that's the range of stuff that's available for alumni, which I specifically asked about undergraduates, I want you to know that you can also use the Knight Institute It's not available for our alumni, but it is for undergraduates. And we're working on hiring a writing tutor that's for all HCEC registrants Hopefully that person that's going to be hired for the end of the month and I'll keep you posted. And will email when that person comes on board, how to create a school list with an imbalance MCAT score let's talk about a one-on-one. I think it depends on so many factors. What else is going in your application residency and all that good stuff. So this is a great thing to talk to your advisor about. I see a couple coming through in the chat. So do feel free to keep answering questions. It they exsist for you. Can you include credits or grades from  college versus that you took during high school That one depends, you would want to look at the AMCAS the AAMC applicant guide for this year. I'm going to cover that in depth and tell you what the page looks like on AMCAS Day What is the median average accepted GPA, MCAT from Cornell Actually I wish I knew  off the top of my head, I can find that data for you when you e-mail me and I'll I'll tell you how much I'm capsular speaking. How would you prioritize or rank the various resources listed for application? How should we be asking our questions first versus getting second opinions from? So if you have a college specific, health careers advisor, That's where I would start because they have expertise in your specific degree program and cirruculum And I would get started there the Cornell Career Services so that doesn't apply to you. The Cornell Career Services resources for personnel statement and interview help Absolutely. If you don't have a college specific resource Okay. I think I've got everything. I'm going to stop the recording but hang around for a few minutes. And also once you. Put the CCS Media Library link in the chat, if you're watching this recorded, I know you've already found it because that's how you Bye.