Welcome folks. We're going to begin our discussion of situational judgment tests today, both the CASPER and the AAMC situational judgment tests today to share who we are as presenters today. And then we'll have some chance to talk with you about these tests and then take your questions. So I'm Chelsea Rule, I'm Director of the Health Careers Advising Program in the central office of Cornell Career Services and I'm joined by two colleagues today, we're also experts on this process. So I never welcome everybody. My name is Craig Jones. My pronouns are he/him/ his and I'm the Career Education Advising Associate for the central Career office in Barnes Hall. Hello everyone, my name is Ana Adinolfi my pronouns are she/ hers And I work in Arts and Sciences Career Development as a Health Career Advisor There, Wonderful. Thank you both for joining me this evening. We're really excited to talk with you all about these tests. We know there's a lot of questions floating around. So we'll begin with a little discussion of what the tests are, how to prepare, and kind of where they occur in the process. So we'll surge, sorry my animation, I got a little messed up here. We'll start with a little discussion of where we are in the process of applying to medical school. So many of you are continuing to work on primary applications right now such as AMCAS, AACOMAS ADSAS, TMDSAS .  And some folks have submitted those, primarily alumni and some are waiting for grades right now. And it will be submitting primary applications soon. The next step is often thought to be secondaries. And I know I've said that as part of advising next step for primaries and secondaries, but it's sort of in-between that there are these additional tests that have come out in the last five or so years or more every year are kind of outside of the actual primary and secondary applications, but are required or recommended at some schools that you might be applying to. So we'll talk about Casper and strangely today. And then after secondaries, As you know, there are interviews to try to get to know you as a human. And then hopefully the idea is to matriculate the next fall. So it's a long process. And we talked about interviews being that kind of like getting to know you and who you are as a person. That's part of the goal of these other exams. So just to give you a heads up, we'll talk about first, what does situational judgment test is? Essentially, it's, it's testing how you react to issues, right. So your faced where the non-medical, complex situation and lots of gray areas, how you respond? So you placed in a situation, hypothetical situation, what do you do? That's essentially boiling down what situational judgment tests are. And so two tests we are talking about today are Casper, which stands for something actually it's the computerized computer-based assessment for sampling personal characteristics. And that tells you a little bit about what they're looking for or the AAMC situational judgment tests. So we just call it SJT for short. Now, we will discuss each of these and what they entail and how to prep for them. And just know that the VITA exam that many of you, if you were interested in the cycle last year, you might have heard about VITA, this video interviewing tool for admissions that MD schools we're looking at, that's not going to be running this year. So you'll notice about one is conspicuously absent here, that folks will come back to that at the end. So Casper, Ana do you want to kinda walk us through a little bit of what Casper is. Sure, so CASPER like Chelsea was saying, is testing personal  characteristics it's set of written and video scenarios where you are going to be asked to respond to that scenario. It's usually one big question or one video. And then three questions underneath. It's looking at big picture things like, how do you solve problems? How do you relate to others? How might you respond to an issue or a situation that might come up? There's the website there that has a ton of information about exactly what CASPER is and gives more stuff are going to talk about practicing in a minute. Usually we say with Casper, there is no prep necessary and the kind of the parentheses around that has no paid prep necessary. So that expectation is that with the information we're giving you here today with doing a little bit of research on your own, using the website, that you should be able to kind of just go for it without any preparation. So things that we think about with Casper is, how would you respond to situations and past everybody because I know you graduated from college, has done a group project before. Goldmine for Casper. Questions for thinking how you approach complex situation and conflict. Something else, think about gray areas. I often tell students also to think about not only how you've responded to complex situations in the past, but maybe how you wish you had responded, thinking back at it. So that's the preparation, that's really what we recommend for Casper. Required or recommended by medical schools, have some dental school as well. We'll get to that in a second. And these are these are some areas that they're kind of assess you on, right? So back to, back by more than 12 years of academic research. So Casper effectively screened for people skills by using an outline situational judgment tests. And these are some of the areas that you're being assessed on your collaboration abilities, communication, empathy, equity, ethics, motivation, problem-solving, professionalism, resilience, and self-awareness and two areas that I would highly recommend to maybe focus a little bit more prep time on are equity and ethics. So I do a lot of interview prep for pre-med students. These are two areas. So you have the most difficulty answering are talking about. So keeping that in mind to really think about equity and Ethics. Little bit of background about CASPER. They mentioned that I showed a picture from there once, say, this, this test was developed in an evidence-based way and McMaster University based on, and this is the folks who developed the MMI, Multiple Mini interview. And so if that sounds familiar and maybe some of the situational learning sounds familiar is it's developed by the same people. So the goal of developing CASPER was to try to allow medical and I will schools to understand folks cognition behind their metrics. How would they think through complex situations, which isn't necessarily demonstrated by just grades and MCAT alone, right? So that's the idea behind it. And so, and just to give you that little background about what they're trying to do. And as Craig mentioned, you're really, what are those competencies that they're looking for? And what are they going to try to take four scenarios. How can you have a sense? As we start to get into a little bit on the logistics, I just want to share a little bit about when to take it. So there's not going to be a specific date, but I will certainly have got to get there are many administration dates and we'll share a few screenshots with you in the next slides. May-February, typically for most school, sometimes they ended December. Typically would recommend taking it in the summer. In June and July, I would be probably the peak months. I know there are some administrations mid to late month and those are pretty popular because at that point a lot of people have submitted the primary application their time and are waiting, holding pattern during verification, waiting for a secondaries. And so that's just a nice time to say get it to be popular, but it's not that it's required to take then. Note that it does take two to three weeks to score Casper. We'll talk a little bit about scoring in a few slides. And if it is required for any of the schools you're applying to, to take CASPER than it is part of your file  complete status, meaning that medical schools will review your application once you have they, they have your AMCAS, your Casper, your MCAT's , your letters, all those kinds of things. Can I jump in Chelsea  and say, when you're thinking about timing, about when to take CASPER This is a great time to think about. If you're a student who usually has accommodations for tests extended time, is a pretty common accommodation that's requested for CAPER and Casper request an additional three weeks before your test date to you didn't get them all of your documentation and then they're going to approve it and appeals and now that whole process takes about three weeks. So when you're picking your Casper date, you might be thinking about oh, I also need to make sure I'm getting that three week lead time for accommodation. So it's one additional things to think about for people who are going to request accommodations usually it's an extended time. Thank you so much Ana for letting us and we do have a link to the CASPER Accommodations in a few slides that's a really good. point those things take time and that's true for SJT as well. So quick logistics around CASPER and what happens when you register. So when you register for a date ensures the right date for you, make sure you practice the system requirements that that point and then the date of as well. And run through some practice questions. Make sure you use all of the free materials are on the CASPER website to get a feel for it. And note that when you actually sit down for the exam, it's going to take around 90-100 minutes. I believe. That consists of 12 scenarios in which you're given five minutes to respond. It's a text response, which is different than an interview where he would be responding out loud, but it's a similar premise. MMI interval. As I mentioned, scores are sent to medical schools that you add that you have this were sent to two to three weeks after your tests, but you will never see your score. And that's kind of a funky thing about CASPER. A lot of people wonder about what happens with that for an ever it, where does it go? Well, what does it mean? And so schools can do what they want with the scores being they can interpret them any different ways. So Casper does not share with the applicant a score. And that's kind of an interesting nuance to this. So this score, them sent in different schools and when you register, you can also add schools later. If you choose additional schools, you can have your scores sent post exam too. And as I mentioned, the scores are used differently by each school and they're often to help them to not miss any great candidates that might have not necessarily stood out on the page in terms of metrics, but have really strong interpersonal qualities, for example. And so this is what the exam is meant to do. You only take CASPER once per cycle. So if you have applied in a previous cycle, you would need to take CASPER again for the cycle. But you, you don't take it for each school that require that you're going to hit one time for the full cycle. The the fees for I just surround the MD tests would be $12 to take the Casper exam and then $12 per school to distribute your score. And that is the standard price, I believe, for dental school as well. So if you are not sure about your school list, again, you can always add schools later so you can just pay the fees. Uh, you know, you're going to apply so you add more later. If you are applying for Fee assistance program. Note that each school may have a different policy and how some of those fees may be covered or not. And so that's something to look into ahead of time as well. And I wanted to note that there are a couple of new tools every year we see some new things coming out the last year. Casper snapshot with brand new. It's a video interview tool and it's very much like Vita, the video and are useful for admissions at AAMC developed. CASPER snapshot is a lot like Casper except that it's out loud and similar kind of scenario based questions. And there's a new tool called duets that I just heard about this cycle. So I'm learning this with you. As far as I know, it's a tool for fit that I believe is in a pilot phase this year. And so right now, I'm not sure if that is going to be required or recommended at any schools. We will see what schools decide. So make sure if you sign up for Casper and they're saying You need to takes, Snapshot and Duet and ten days, make sure you look at your school list, your target schools. See if they require or strongly recommend that you take either or both of those exams. This is going to be a school specific decision, but you certainly can take those even if they're not required. A lot of people did have decided to do that. But if you want to make sure that schools are going to require or recommend them that you're interested in first, that makes sense to me. I'm I missing anything, Craig or Ana? Well, I want to mention something about the snapshot video interview that some of the questions could be behavioral based, right? So a question like tell me about a time you had conflict on a team. So when you're answering behavioral based question, you should always utilize the star technique. So S stands for the situation. T is a task at hand. A's are specific action that you did. And then based on that action are what were the results. So if you can keep that in mind when you're asking behavior-based questions, that would greatly help you. A great point Craig, thank you for sharing your learning technique. That's a really hopeful with those types of behavioral questions. So we're going to show a few little screenshots of what it looks like to register for the exam. So let's say you are in the US and you were pre dental student and you are looking through Casper, you'll see a list of the schools at the bottom here that you can send your scores too. This doesn't means I required all of the schools that may be recommended or accepted at some of the school. So you would need to actually check out the school was on the list and see if they are required or recommended before you decide to take the exam or one. And this is what the registration looks like on the dental side. Here's the MD side showing you screenshots as I pretend to register for Casper. So if you go to allopathic medicine and you are looking for the school ListView, those schools that I at least would accept caps, Casper scores, but again, doesn't mean that they required. But if you see some schools on the list that you're planning to apply to This is a good trigger to say, let's look and see whether they're required or recommended. Again, this is going to be recorded and you're welcome to look at the casper, website yourself and just check it out. Same thing for D0. And if you are applying to MD and DO schools and its many people are, you can take the same exam one time, have the score sense to either or both. So you don't necessarily have to take to Casper exams. You could just take it once. So that means some DO schools have been accepts Casper scores? Hey, here's a Casper example question, right? So it's a word based scenario, paying a price. So think of a time when you had to make a sacrifice in order to accomplish a goal. Then they're going to be asked to read the sentence to the left, then click below to answer the question. So during the Casper test, you'll have five minutes to answer the three questions. And I highly recommend utilizing that full allotment of time. And also I would highly recommend is to really accurately read the question because sometimes it's so easy to make assumption that you might have misread the questions. You want to make sure that you accurately read the question. And here are some questions that you'll be asked. So you briefly describe the situation and the sacrifice you may. Do you regret your decision to make the sacrifice? Why or why not? And did you learn anything from this situation that can be applied to your desired career? Explained a response. I think out of all these questions, the third one is the most important because that's what they're really assessing you on. What did you learn from this experience? Yeah. Anything that you want to yeah. I think it's hard to be managing your time, be thinking about answering all questions. And I'm sure that many of you, as we're reading these questions out loud, you're thinking, what example might I get out? One of the things about Casper is that I usually recommend that you just pick something and go with it, do the best that you can. It is scenario so that you can move on a goal. It's recommend spending too much time, spending and annoying about, well, should I do at the time that I didn't sue the government instead you, the time research side, whatever the thing is that I'm going to write about, quit my research lab. I'm going to try and figure out hiking, answer these three questions in that time. So that's it when you're breaking this stuff down, sometimes you're not going to have the luxury of five minutes, the brain Simon than five minutes, right? You just kinda get into it. That's a great point. And that is her to manage five minutes, turn to know how long that feels. So you might, when you practice, actually set a timer and then see how five minutes feels so that you get comfortable with. And as Craig said, it's encouraged to use all five minutes. Keep extending on the thought. If you have some extra time and note the typos do not count against you. So the people who score in this exam are trained to ignore typos and really just try to follow your logic so you're not going to be set back a few typos. Don't worry about going back and deleting and making it look perfect, just go with the flow. And so that's hard for a lot of people. So practice that. We have a few more tips to Ana if you wanted to take a few days. I know we've shared a couple RS. Absolutely. So you talked about getting comfortable with the questions that are being asked to. Obviously, we want you to be checking out all your technical specs down there. And there's also a whole link about what's happened. What happens if I had technical difficulties during my what happens if I don't have everything I need for the exam? Definitely be checking that out. Going through practice questions, like we said, you know, five minutes is short. I really wish it was six minutes. It'll be so much easier to manage your time. Two minutes, two minutes, two minutes. Do you know if you're getting back but five minutes gets a little bit difficult. One thing to remember about Casper is that each question is evaluated by a different graders. So it's a human being reading your responses and it's a different human every time. And so if you're stressed, you run over time, you did it, pick a good answer. You're really feeling worried. Take a deep breath in, take a deep breath out. The next question is a new opportunity to perform well and do your very best. So that's one of my Casper pieces. Slip advice is to breathe. Take a deep breath in-between the question you're five minutes over that questions, then look at the new question in front of you. That's a new opportunity. There's also an opportunity for a break. You know what the break was like for MCAT, I recommend doing the same thing. Do some deep breathing, do some distressing, take care of your body and then get back to it. If you think about the CASPER break as it can be, as short as you need it. So if you make it, I mean, you ten minutes, you need five. In five minutes and then move forward. So the reader is like Chelsea said, they're not good at typos. They're not looking at sentence structure is you don't want you to worry about any of that. Just a word with rewriting everything that you absolutely can, like we were seeing before and think about times in your life when you add conflicts and we had problems, either how you handle this situation or how you wish that you handle the situation. In retrospect, let me make sure that I've said everything. Um, I know it's sometimes it's helpful to make a quick note of names or a quick note of the pieces of the situation that might be helpful later sometime they name of person. I answered that question. That was about Paul was a group member who wasn't pulling his weight. It's much helpful, much more helpful to say Paul than it is to say the group member who wasn't pulling is great. I'm wasting time on that. Just remember his name is Paul so that we can move forward. So yeah, another piece about half or answering questions is to think about just like with MMI is like between you. Think about whether or not you're making assumptions, if you're making an assumption that out right? Because again, you might not have time to be thinking about these five essential some areas you can say for this question, I'm making this assumption. If that wasn't correct, I will be taking a different path. But here's the assumption that I'm making so that the reader understands what your path is. Fast like what MMI questions, there's going to be missing information. If you have time to talk about which pieces of information you would like to see, the absolutely encourage you to talk about that. Time management is another big thing, which is why I'm encouraging that deep breathing in-between questions. Because I want you to get to all questions. That's very important. I think that's all I had. I was perfect. And Craig, I don't know if you have anything to add, but I would just echo that. Like it's okay to not know everything instead it be a short scenario and you'll never have all the absence of exactly what you do. It's about walking through the thought process. That's really the point of this. So don't jump to the end and say, well, it's really complicated, but what I would do is this, like, let's really share your thoughts as you wrestle with the way different sides. That's really useful. So walk us through the process as best you can and that's a good thing to just kinda practice as you do the practice questions. Craig, anything else from your end? Nope. I think people have covered at all. great. Well, someone asked about a timer. Wouldn't you be able to see the time and they will help you keep track of times. That's a really great question. We'll get to some of the other questions, and the end here, I know some have been sent directly to me. We'll jump into SJT next and then we'll leave some time to come back to the chat So well, it was just kinda start with some basics. What is the AAMC situational judgment tests? So Casper was made by a company and was developed at a university. AAMC situational judgment tests that's developed with a lot of different partners and different medical schools. And it was developed by the AAMC, which is the overarching body that controls medical schools, MD schools specifically. So this test is meant to assess age, pre-professional, or competencies. It's Remote Proctor and that's very different. It's an online scenario based exam, so it's very similar to Casper, but the way that you respond is very different the way the questions are asked us to go through course, the sample, and the schools. It's not required or recommended by very many schools this year. It's pretty new. I just launched last year. We had piloted with two schools and they've added four more this year. So it's required if you're applying to Morehouse or Alabama, and it's strongly recommended for Geisinger, Commonwealth University of Minnesota, UC Davis, and DesMoine which is a  DO school. So those are the six you might consider taking this exam if you're applying to and if you are definitely applying, then to Morehouse or Alabama your definatly taking it you can hear my graphic disappeared and my final version of this, I apologize. Made it tests the age, pre-professional competencies, and I had a really nice diagram of that with disappear. I don't know why, but we'll kind of talk through those. So this exam last 90 minutes. It has 30 scenarios, so it's a longer number of the questions, a 186 questions, or you're asked to rate the effectiveness of actions on a four-point scale. From very ineffective to very effective. It's hard I think, to grasp what that means. So we will show you a question so you can see what that all equates to  And as I mentioned it's   Remote Proctored, meaning that you will see your computer be taking the exam with a proctor and there'll be another human on the other side who can see through your camera and you're not going to see their face total time when you're taking make them, but they will be on either end, monetary, we need to close all your programs and your computer is the exam stays. Essentially. There are no fees for SJT unlike Casper And essentially the scoring was a little different to your scored against expert medical educators who have taken the same exam and then responded. And they collectively make up the rubric of width this or right answer. But maybe they ate pre-professional competencies that are not shown here are if you've ever been to any of my other folks, I always go over the core competencies for entering medical students is 15 competencies. So those are things like the service orientation, social skills, your communication, resilliance They're really big one and I know we're all living that this year. Adaptability, does those kinds of competencies can focus more on that than any of the science or the written communication competencies into much more focused on the intangibles that are harder to see from your metrics. Again, similar goal and just logistics why that's offered at different times than the Casper exam is. So it's actually only offered at five different sets, test states. And so right now then the soonest one would be the June 8th, 9th, there's 16, 17, two dates in July, August, and September. And you can see when the scores are released to the schools, they have a pretty clear chart there. So what you do is you register for the exam that you want to see if you were applying to the six Schools, read the essentials. There's a huge document that has a lot of information for you about the exam. It's very clear, but it also take some time to read. They have lots of practice material on there. You can take a practice tutorial, get comfortable with the taxing same kind of deals. Casper, take the test and then you can see when your score, it could be released to the schools. Again, if it's required, then it's part of your final complete status. Certainly for those schools. It's not required if you took it later. It doesn't necessarily yet act as a barrier to your application at all. So Craig, I want to walk us through a practice question. Yes, sir. Here's a sample question. You are leading a study group with some classmates, when two, classmates, begin arguing about one of the course topics. The argument is tense, but stays on topic until one student insults the others intelligence. The other student responds by insulting the first students appearance. So please rate the effectiveness of each response to the situation. And I won't go through all these, but here's an example. So ask another classmate to defuse the argument is that very effective, effective, effective, are very effective. Let two classmates handle a situation themselves as you were not involved in the argument. And once again, is a very effective, ineffective, effective, are very effective talent your classmates, you are no longer willing to work with them is yet very ineffective. Ineffective, effective, are very effective. Tell the two classmates that person attacks are not acceptable. So very ineffective, ineffective, effective, and very effective assay to cliffs. Classmates resolve their issue privately. And once again, nose. Tell the study group to take a short break and offer to speak with two classmates privately. And the last option is ignore the classmates argument and continue leading the discussion with the other group members. So that was a lie. And so you want to take just a second to kind of look through them, think about where your responses might be. You're interested. They have a complete guide where they walk you through what those medical educator professionals, choose and why And that is all part of the practice materials that they provide for the SJT. Personally, I think this is really interesting. And so did some of those practice questions, and I look at the logic behind it. I think doing the practice that they provide, I think it's about 86 pages or something that will really help you to prep for the SJT exam. And I think it could be helpful for anyone who's just interested, who happens to have some time if you wanted to look into that a little more. But it's not required that you do this prep for Casper. That makes sense to everyone. It's asked in a very different, really constant questions are certainly going to be about situations, but it's all just primary responses. Does that make sense? Okay. So I want to get into some tips. Yes. So like Chelsea said there is an immense amount of packets information about the SJT and honestly, that's a best prep that we recommend the question style as he saw, it, a little bit different. So it's good to get familiar with it. We want you to be digesting the question and really looking thoroughly at what are they asking? How might a respond, how might imagine these medical educators might respond? And also important to look and see if you actually ask, you saw it. It's, it's a pretty short list and some of them are highly encourage, is that is what they're asking some of the school. So really, really taking the time to read things and do the practice and see the logic is really what we recommend for SJD to you. And same deal with the tech stuff and that accommodations. So definitely look into that way ahead of time, especially since there's fewer weeks. Absolutely. It's always good to just to have at hand, what do you do if you experience technical difficulties? And I think an AAMC SJG's case, the Remote Proctor can also act as like a helper for that if you do receive actually do have issues with that. But for Casper, there'll be another reference that you need to make sure you have a hand, just in case So good to do when you're getting ready to take it. So I want you to just kind of answer this question. I think some people asked in the chat, what does it mean to be a file complete? And this is kind of a good reminder from AMCAS Day. So when your application is fully and review it at most schools would be when they receive your primary. So remember that even if you've submitted primary and it's gotta be verified and it can't even be sent over to schools if it's AMCAS until the transmission data on June 25th. Once it's been processed, That's the first state in any process, applications get moved to the schools. The schools also need to receive your MCAT or DAT scores, or they need to receive your secondaries that completed secondaries that they sent you, the prompts for all of your letters to your committee letter, and then if you have any other supplemental letters. And then if it's required, Casper forecasts state. If it's not required to take Casper, SJT but it's recommended and that would not be part of your file complete status. And you certainly could take a little bit later, especially if it's not required, but that might be different for different schools on your list. So it'll be an important thing to just pin down and make sure you know the timing and the requirements slash recommendations at different schools. Let's bring that makes sense. We'll take some questions in just a moment. I want to give a quick preview of next steps because we are continuing to be here for you and navigate the cycle as things continue. And hopefully we'll see many of you and not next week but the week after at our next workshop on secondary applications or doing that on June 14th at 5PM Eastern and it'll be the same group me, Ana and Craig. And we'll be talking about the secondary application prompts, how to pre, write, slash and brainstorm for them. Because note that that will be well ahead of any secondaries that you receive. And so this is done intentionally to give you some time to brainstorm. But I certainly hope that everyone has or is about to submit AMCAS also takes a little break and rewards yourself. for that endeavor, takes some time to sleep and breathe and see your family or friends or whatever. But when you're ready for that next step we'll have another workshop worry. And then we'll have a workshop on interviewing August 17th at four PM Eastern. You can save the date, but I haven't made the Zoom yet note that there is no vita this year, I think I mentioned that. And so we're going to be talking just about traditional and MMI interviews, which are going to be primarily virtual, but we're still kind of waiting to hear what schools are going to do this year. There'll be some that will do hybrid interviews, some in-person, some virtual. So we really welcome application related questions as health careers advisors, Ana and I are certainly here to answer your health careers questions. Here in arts and sciences, you can meet with Ana. Anyone can meet with me. That means sometimes things get busy on my calendar. So I apologize. It's been a little while, but thanks for bearing with me. I do have office hours on Wednesdays and it's a great place to ask cycle related questions. They are cancel next week because I'm attending a virtual conference and trying to continue to learn more about what med schools are doing. And then in June 16th, 23rd, 30th, I have my regular office hours and resume from two to four. And then I do have an application Q&A next week, which sort of like office hours, but just later. That's at 4:30 to 5:30. Can ask me anything about your applications. These are all group settings and to make appointments with me, you can go to the Cornell Career Services website and we use bookings. Right now it's pretty busy. I just want to give a heads up, so I roll out new appointments on Mondays throughout the day. And so that's a good day to check in and then you can always call our office. Can have any difficulty finding a time. I'm happy to provide the number in the chat and Ana do you want to  say a little bit about your appointments too? Yes, if you are a student or were a student in the college of Arts and Sciences, I mind thinks online appointment with me in the chat. I just finish off my office hours for this semester, so it'll actually be a 30 minute appointment. But as far as I know, I have available next week late in the week. So right now and not unfortunately is always Arts and Sciences students. So will, it will take some time for questions now and look through the chat. I think some of the questions might have been sent directly to me which I'm having just kind of read through and then we can each sorta take turns. Yes. I can't see any of the questions just to give you that, Your own your own in the great unknown I know. That's why was it chiming in as you were talking? I think I may have fiddled with my Zoom settings resently folks so thanks for bearing with me with someone asked about whether to wait to submit transcripts sent though Dean's List designation from out and there's no need to wait for that because that will not be seen by med schools. So you can certainly just send your transcripts once. all the grades are and you don't need to read for medians or any of the deans list stuff. Because right now what med schools are just going to see if when you enter in for your classes and grades, then what the verifier says, it's true for that. So they're not really looking at your actual transcripts right now. You would send a file transcripts to med schools if you're admitted later on in the process with which show that. So don't wait for that piece to request your transcripts, just wait for your spring 21 grades once in, and you enter them into your application and you can have transcripts sent. One person asked a great question for you, Craig, how do you practice? Speak about equity. What do you recommend? Wow, that's a very good question I would recommend being aware of what's going on in the news, right? So I always recommend like maybe reading a headline that grabs your attention. And then before you read the article, ask yourself, what are the three questions that you would like to know based on the title alone and then see if it's covered in the article. So but I think it's really hard to do that on your own. So I'm also available via bookings if you want to schedule appointment with me to do some initial practice, I'd be happy to meet with you. But I think it through practice and just awareness is how do prepare it. Thanks so much, Craig. And if you have a chance to through the bookings, link into the chat or you can feel free. Sorry, I'm trying to juggle too many things that I can keep it open at the same time. Another question somebody asked about sending the Casper score. Somebody said I thought they sent it. And that's actually, that is true. So normally I say you never see your score. which is true most of the time last year Casper piloted sending or tiled score. So you would know if he in the first, second, third, or fourth quartile, which would be the highest to a small number of applicants. And they were just piloting like what is it like to share scores because they were not sure if they're going to be not long-term or not. My understanding if they're not doing that large-scale this year, I'm not sure if the pilot is continuing either, but they may share scores, but some of you, but that's not the intention to do widespread at this point so thanks for that clairification.  I'm trying to sign up for Casper and I do not see a few of the schools on the list that I thought required based on her website with more schools gradually added? That's a great question. It's possible, and it's possible that maybe their website wasn't updated to. And so one of those pieces, we'll probably  aline at some point. And if right now you're not that's the one school year we're going to see if you needed to take Casper for something you could email admissions and ask about that. And if you're like, Well, I was going to take anyway I can always sent scores later, that's not necessarily a reason to worry, but if that was something you were waiting on, you can always reach out. And I always say it's okay to ask politely an inquiry is never a  bad thing. Someone said, Do they, do schools get our actual answers to the questions or just the CASPER scores? They, I don't think they get your actual answers to the questions. They do get scores and they get scores in different areas. And again, it's not something that I necessarily seen all of them, but the schools can interpret them differently. They can say we care about this score but we don't care about this score. So the schools have a lot of liberty to do what they want with CASPER scores. I don't think we said this earlier in that presentation and schools use the scores in all different sorts of ways and all different places in the application process So it's even hard to say, is it relevant? When is it relevant? It really varies from school to school, so it's hard to give advice about it too We don't necessarily know how each school is using Yeah that's a great point Ana So some schools will pretty much broadcast kind of what they're thinking in terms of using it. But a lot of the time they're just trying not to miss greet people. And that might mean that they use some of it and that they're kind of just keeping an eye on who might be in higher quartiles, for example. It might be that they look at that for everyone. A lot of places are actually doing research on it now to see if those are correlated later down the road with any kind of success in medical school. So sometimes it's not that they're judging you buy any of it. They want to gather data to see how it goes long-term. It's actually kind of interesting. So would see someone asked where if schools are unclear, if they want to ever snapshots, you would just do it since the time expires for ten days. It's a great question if, if you're seeing that some schools are even considering it, you might want to do it. I think they're pretty short I haven't really seen any Duet requirements so far, but everything can change next week. Like that's how things work in this process. So just kinda keep checking in. If the school does require it had been it sounds like you have only that ten-day window. So I think what I'm hearing from a lot of students is they're going to go for either or both. But I think it's wise to check the schools and see what they're saying now, before you make your final decisions about that's. Great question. Someone asked, can we submit AMCAS before all transcripts have been received? Yes, you can. And then once your transcripts are received by AMCAS and they have your application, that's when verification or processing starts. Once you've verified. And no sooner than June 25th, if you're applying to MD schools, that's when medical schools can start seeing your application before June 25th. It's like you don't exist to them right So if you were processed on June 15th, that sits there for 10 days, that's just kind of have just to give you a heads up. I think there's no question that someone asked a question about secondaries. Do they come in? When did they come in? Is it all like a flood or a trickle? All of the above. So they tend to come in as soon as your processed, which again can be no sooner than June 25th if you're trying to MD schools. But a lot of the time your process after that, So hypothetically reprocess July 5th, that's probably the day where you're going to start getting a lot of secondaries. And then after that you won't see a trickle Ana do you feel similarly? Yes. Yeah. It's usually an avalanche, trickle, an avalanche. a trickle. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it's depends in your processing time and don't sweat it if you're not processed June 25th that's totally fine. Totally normal so um you'll, you'll get secondary is probably a big flood whenever your processed Can Casper hurt or only help? Great question. So school dependence. But I think the idea is that it's meant to help and it's meant to be used by the schools to not miss people. So that's my interpretation about that. They're trying to use that to to read between the lines of the candidates. Yeah. Anything else Ana you want to share? Yeah, I buy my impression of med schools use casper is, it's either helpful or neutral And it doesn't hurt. I wouldn't know because we don't view that data. But my impression is that it's either helpful or neutral yeah, I agree. Let's see. Someone asked are able to have a cheat sheet of activities or scenarios that we can draw from? While we take the test. That's an interesting question. I believe they are not supposed to have any materials at hand that you refer to . So you might want to think about them and brainstorm. And I think that in and of itself is helpful. But I believe that you're not supposed to refer or just something that you have written down. Ana, do you know any differently I don't I don't think that you're suppose that had any great because you can't write down anything that you can take away with you. I'd imagine you shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, that's that's my understanding, but read the full Casper guide we are here to help, but we don't necessarily have all the answers about. That's a great question. And the last question here is just about secondaries. Again, we'll talk more on June 14th about that. But is it true in some send secondaries before the transmission date? Occasionally, yes. That sometimes does happen. They sometimes are able to gather who is in the application process and it's already listed them. Usually like a day or two before that. So it's not it's not like today, that's not going to happen. And so they asked you to show me pre-write. I think brainstorming ahead of time is great prompts for secondaries change from year to year. We'll talk about that. But having some idea of common questions is great and that's what we'll discuss in the June 14th question. So, and then Ana put something in the chat too to give some ideas. I'm, I actually really love that. I love the whole website. It's good for MMI stuff too Yeah. Absolutely. I have a whole section about anti-racism, diversity, and inclusion. A great resource, Yeah. And so we're, we're at little bit over time. It sounds like we've answered all the questions in the chat Ana or Craig, did you have any sort of last tid bits that you want to share about these? Yes. I had somebody a direct message me that's for Casper you can only have a blank sheet write on but no notes. So you can take a note like I was saying, like, write down, Paul is the group members, but no notes. Thank you. Thank you. Yep. That we learn from you as you're doing this, we're navigating this process together as always, but a lot of these things are fairly new, so we appreciate hearing from you when you've done this and navigate it it already. Okay, So I will wrap up for today again, this session has been recorded and I will share the link with all of those who've registered for it. And I will do so very quickly and then we'll caption and puts the publicly after that. So hopefully this will allow you to some space to kind of think about these situational judgment tests. And we'll talk hopefully soon as secondaries, June 14th at 5 PM Eastern. Thanks everyone for coming. Have a good evening or afternoon or morning bye ya'll.